Showing posts with label Nancy Matthis. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Nancy Matthis. Show all posts

Thursday, June 24, 2010

CONTAMINATION - Coming Soon to a Food Supply Near You...
Produced by Nalco Corexit - Directed by Barack Obama

by Nancy Matthis at American Daughter

The toxic chemical dispersant Corexit 9500 was pumped into the Gulf to counter the oil spill. Now it appears to have gassified, entered the atmosphere, and rained down on inland farmers, damaging crops and killing songbirds:

One month ago, on May 24, The European Union Times wrote about a report prepared by Russia's Ministry of Natural Resources for President Medvedev -- Toxic Oil Spill Rains Warned Could Destroy North America:
A dire report prepared for President Medvedev by Russia's Ministry of Natural Resources is warning ... that the British Petroleum (BP) oil and gas leak in the Gulf of Mexico is about to become the worst environmental catastrophe in all of human history threatening the entire eastern half of the North American continent with "total destruction".

Russian scientists are basing their apocalyptic destruction assessment due to BP's use of millions of gallons of the chemical dispersal agent known as Corexit 9500 which is being pumped directly into the leak of this wellhead over a mile under the Gulf of Mexico waters and designed, this report says, to keep hidden from the American public the full, and tragic, extent of this leak that is now estimated to be over 2.9 million gallons a day.

The dispersal agent Corexit 9500 is a solvent originally developed by Exxon and now manufactured by the Nalco Holding Company of Naperville, Illinois that is four times more toxic than oil....

A greater danger involving Corexit 9500, and as outlined by Russian scientists in this report, is that with its 2.61ppm toxicity level, and when combined with the heating Gulf of Mexico waters, its molecules will be able to "phase transition" from their present liquid to a gaseous state allowing them to be absorbed into clouds and allowing their release as "toxic rain" upon all of Eastern North America.

Even worse, should a Katrina like tropical hurricane form in the Gulf of Mexico while tens of millions of gallons of Corexit 9500 are sitting on, or near, its surface the resulting "toxic rain" falling upon the North American continent could "theoretically" destroy all microbial life to any depth it reaches resulting in an "unimaginable environmental catastrophe" destroying all life forms from the "bottom of the evolutionary chart to the top"....
By June 10 the San Fransico Chronicle reported crop damage -- BP oil spill Corexit dispersants suspected in widespread crop damage:
....It seems like damage brought by the oil gusher has spread way beyond the ocean, coastal areas and beaches. Collateral damage now appears to include agricultural damage way inland Mississippi.

A mysterious "disease" has caused widespread damage to plants from weeds to farmed organic and conventionally grown crops. There is very strong suspicion that ocean winds have blown Corexit aerosol plumes or droplets and that dispersants have caused the unexplained widespread damage or "disease"....
The warning on the Corexit 9500 label is clear enough:
"Keep container tightly closed. Do not get in eyes, on skin, on clothing. Do not take internally. Avoid breathing vapor. Use with adequate ventilation. In case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of water and seek medical advice. After contact with skin, wash immediately with plenty of soap and water. Wear suitable protective clothing."
Now the stuff is raining down on us!

Corexit warning label

It has been well-known in the oil industry since the 1980s that oil-eating microbes can clean up the oil with no lasting environmental impact. They were developed at the behest of the Texas Land Office and the Texas Water Commission, and used successfully in 1990 to clean up a large oil spill in Galveston (see Business Insider -- An Oil-Eating Microbe That's Been Around Since 1989 Could Single-Handedly Clean Up BP's Entire Oil Spill).


So why is Corexit 9500 being used in the Gulf of Mexico? Back on May 30 blogger Jo Anne Moretti published a Bombshell Exposé based on meticulous and lengthy research that she had performed showing that Democrat party bigwigs including Warren Buffett, Maurice Strong, Al Gore, and George Soros reaped huge profits from the sale of Corexit. Not only that, but her findings show that some increased their holdings preceding the disaster:
There is big money and even bigger players in this scam. While they are letting the oil blow wide open into the Gulf, the stakes and profit rise.

The Dolphins, Whales, Manatees, Sea Turtles and fish suffocate and die. The coastal regions, salt marshes, tourist attractions and the shore front properties are being destroyed, possibly permanently. The air quality is diminished. The Gulf of Mexico fishing industry is decimated.

All to create a need for their expensive and extremely profitable poison.
By now an outraged public has become aware of the microbes, which were warehoused in large quantities and available for use in the Gulf. But it is too late to use them now that Corexit has depleted the oxygen in the water. The microbes need oxygen to live long enough to eat the oil.

The European Union Times report sums it up best:
...the greatest lesson to be learned by these Americans is that their government-oil industry cabal has been just as destructive to them as their government-banking one, both of which have done more to destroy the United States these past couple of years than any foreign enemy could dare dream was possible.

But to their greatest enemy the Americans need look no further than their nearest mirror as they are the ones who allowed these monsters to rule over them in the first place.

H/T: Serg N of Common Sense Patriots

Related reading:

JoAnneMor -- Bombshell exposé. The real reason the oil still flows into the Gulf of Mexico.

[Note: Jo Anne Mor represents the best of the Blogosphere, an ordinary blogger whose dedicated work uncovers hidden evils that endanger us and makes them public knowledge.]

The Next Right -- BP's strange Democrat bedfellows
One of the top media consultants for British Petroleum gave free rent to a politician who became White House Chief of Staff. And, no, this was not Karl Rove giving a freebie to Andy Card. No, the recipient of the favor was Rahm Emanuel and the benefactor was Stanley Greenberg....
© Nancy Matthis, all rights reserved, published with permission.

Wednesday, May 26, 2010

Overthrow Obama? A Compendium

As the disclaimer on our sidebar indicates, by publishing Ms. Matthis' compendium, we do not necessarily agree with the various texts and citations involved. In fact, I.O. suggests other means of defeating the Marxofascist revolution against America that adheres to and includes the person of Barack Obama, with its massive Cloward-Piven sabotage and Marxist theft, and its determined treason against our Sacred Sovereignties. We would also cite reasons supplemental to those below, for whatever action is appropriately taken in response, including those just given, plus the implications of lack of adherence to the two Citizen parent requirement inherent in the "natural born Citizen" clause of the U.S. Constitution, also the Sestak allegation of felony, etc.

That being said, Barack Obama represents an enemy government in Washington, D.C. never before encountered by the People of the United States of America and here is the article...


by Nancy Matthis at American Daughter

Contemplation of non-electoral removal of the Obama administration has been fermenting for over a year. Until now, it has remained fairly hidden below the surface of the public discourse. This week, it has virtually erupted due to a viral email.

On September 29, 2009, Newsmax published an article discussing overthrow of the Obama regime. The piece was a thoughtful discussion of the situation, written by a highly qualified former presidential adviser, and most definitely NOT incitement or advocacy. Nevertheless, Newsmax quickly removed the post from their website when a firestorm of criticism assailed them from the left.

The article remained available, however, as Google cache and in a mirror image captured by Talking Points Memo. Within the last few days, its circulation has exploded by email, and it has been reproduced in full on several websites such as Rense.com and Fellowship of the Minds. It can no longer be ignored. It has become a legitimate subject for discussion in the Blogosphere. Here is the original article:
Obama Risks a Domestic Military Intervention
By John L. Perry

There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the "Obama problem." Don't dismiss it as unrealistic.

America isn't the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn't mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it. So, view the following through military eyes:
  • Officers swear to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Unlike enlisted personnel, they do not swear to "obey the orders of the president of the United States."
  • Top military officers can see the Constitution they are sworn to defend being trampled as American institutions and enterprises are nationalized.
  • They can see that Americans are increasingly alarmed that this nation, under President Barack Obama, may not even be recognizable as America by the 2012 election, in which he will surely seek continuation in office.
  • They can see that the economy -- ravaged by deficits, taxes, unemployment, and impending inflation -- is financially reliant on foreign lender governments.
  • They can see this president waging undeclared war on the intelligence community, without whose rigorous and independent functions the armed services are rendered blind in an ever-more hostile world overseas and at home.
  • They can see the dismantling of defenses against missiles targeted at this nation by avowed enemies, even as America's troop strength is allowed to sag.
  • They can see the horror of major warfare erupting simultaneously in two, and possibly three, far-flung theaters before America can react in time.
  • They can see the nation's safety and their own military establishments and honor placed in jeopardy as never before.
So, if you are one of those observant military professionals, what do you do?

Wait until this president bungles into losing the war in Afghanistan, and Pakistan's arsenal of nuclear bombs falls into the hands of militant Islam?

Wait until Israel is forced to launch air strikes on Iran's nuclear-bomb plants, and the Middle East explodes, destabilizing or subjugating the Free World?

What happens if the generals Obama sent to win the Afghan war are told by this president (who now says, "I'm not interested in victory") that they will be denied troops they must have to win? Do they follow orders they cannot carry out, consistent with their oath of duty? Do they resign en masse?

Or do they soldier on, hoping the 2010 congressional elections will reverse the situation? Do they dare gamble the national survival on such political whims?

Anyone who imagines that those thoughts are not weighing heavily on the intellect and conscience of America's military leadership is lost in a fool's fog.

Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a "family intervention," with some form of limited, shared responsibility?

Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.

Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.

Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don't shrug and say, "We can always worry about that later."

In the 2008 election, that was the wistful, self-indulgent, indifferent reliance on abnegation of personal responsibility that has sunk the nation into this morass.
In a rare display of journalistic cowardice, Newsmax pulled not only the article, but also the author's biographical information, but not before Libertarian Leanings copied it in part. The author served two Democratic presidents and an ultra-liberal think tank.
Perry also has had a distinguished career in public policy. He served President Lyndon B. Johnson as deputy under secretary of commerce and was a White House speech writer and race-relations trouble-shooter for President Johnson.

In the Jimmy Carter administration, he was executive assistant to the under secretary of Housing and Urban Development and was interim director of public information for the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

[...]

Perry was also assistant to the president of the National Association of Broadcasters, a member of the top-management team and director of public relations for the 1982 World’s Fair in Knoxville, Tenn., and an academic fellow at the Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions in Santa Barbara, Calif.
That summarizes the current buzz. Let's take a look at the evolution of this topic on the Internet.

First Mentions

February 3, 2009 -- The question appeared on Answers.Yahoo! as Under the constitution we have the right to overthrow the government...how do you do that? in today's world.?:
Do you think the colonists had that right when they broke off from England? Yes, we do have the right, and we should really think about using it.

The first step would be declaring our rejection of the current government, along with a list of all the ways they have ignored the Constitution and abused their powers. Obviously, once we did that, they would try to stop us, and there would be a fight....

Actually the mention of overthrowing the government is found in the Declaration of Independence -- a document in which several men explained why they were pledging their lives in support of an armed revolution.
April 29, 2009 -- Someone posted a question on Ask.com asking Would it be possible for a military dictator to overthrow Obama? The preferred answer was:
Nope. Not at all possible.
But, there were some caveats, as well as thirteen other opinions. One commenter referred to an actual coup attempt against Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1933. The movie Seven Days in May, in which US military leaders plot to overthrow the US president, was also cited.

The question continues to be asked:

If Americans went to war to overthrow Obama whose side do you think your allies would take?

Does the Constitution allow the military to overthrow the Obama administration and the Democratic Party?

Is it too late to overthrow the Obama regime?

Do you think Barack Obama is guilty of treason and should be impeached?

How can freedom-loving Americans overthrow the corrupt government we now have in Washington?

Does the U.S.A. Military support Obama's ruination of the U.S. Constitution?

Blogging from the Left

August 1, 2009 -- The idea was broached on the Huffington Post by left-wing blogger Danny Schechter in Could Obama Be Overthrown?:
The tide of public opinion may be turning against the President. Pollsters report growing skepticism about health care reform, and more active hostility on racial matters, thanks to that "uncalibrated" expression of opinion on the arrest of Professor Gates in his own home. That remark turned him, in the eyes of some, from a small b black President into a militant Black Panther, or at least someone who can stereotyped as such.

These are the new controversial issues with no one right answer, and a noisy debate everywhere, but something else is also going on....

....The next thing you know, the type of removal of a democratically elected President that worked in Honduras might be attempted here at home. Don't say it can't happen here.... Some of us are still humming "We Shall Overcome" when our adversaries are chanting "We Shall Overthrow."
Note that this was published on a major website almost two full months before the Perry article appeared, and there was at that time no outcry from the left about public discussion of the topic.

Online Fantasy Game

October, 2009 -- Looking backward, it is hard to pinpoint the day this came online, but sometime last October the website United States of Earth published the multi-player browser strategy game 2011: Obama's Coup Fails. Modeled on World of Warcraft, the game was produced by eight libertarian programmers working at a secret location in Brooklyn, NY. Forty-year-old team leader Michael Russotto intends to develop the site as a for-profit venture. Elementary game play is free, but enhancements can be purchased.

From Mother Jones -- The Obama Coup:
Thu Oct. 22, 2009 3:02 AM PDT

Glenn Beck mysteriously killed. The GOP driven out of Congress. Obama proclaims himself the "Lost Imam." An online game exploits right-wing paranoia. — By David Corn
From Wired -- 2011: Obama’s Coup Fails Injects Politics Into Strategy Game:
November 10, 2009

Foes of President Barack Obama and his policies can vent their frustrations by engaging in fictional warfare, thanks to a new online strategy game with a heavy political component.

The satirical game 2011: Obama's Coup Fails, launched last month by a group of Ron Paul supporters that call themselves The Founders, throws players into combat against the crumbling Marxist forces of Obama’s loyalist Black Tigers, the Islamic fundamentalist Nation of Malsi and The Cong — a group of deposed Democratic congressional leaders. ...the game mixes strategy, trivia questions and community elements but has no particular ax to grind with Obama, according to Mike Lodispoto, one of the game's Libertarian founders. In fact, the next United States of Earth game will target President George W. Bush.

"We detest Republicans and Democrats alike," Lodispoto told Wired.com in an e-mail interview. The site was cooked up by Libertarians, but Lodispoto says United States of Earth employees are both Republicans and Democrats....
From Mediaite -- This Exists: Overthrow Futuristic Dictator Obama In This Online Game:
by Robert Quigley | 1:30 pm, November 19th, 2009

Wow. Online strategy gamers who wish to lead militias against Obama (?) can finally do so... Of course, the game is not very violent. No one in the Obama administration is killed or assassinated, the game's creator explains; they are merely "captured" by patriotic citizen armies.
Last November, Russia Today actually scored an in-person interview, in part videotaped. That footage was incorporated into several newscasts at the time, as below:

Misprison of Felony and Writ of Mandamus

March 13, 2010 -- Life on Sleepy Creek notes possible legal remedy:
It is our duty to arrest, charge and try these evil beasts in Washington and this is how we have to do it.... This is how we empower ourselves. Here is the weapon. Spread this to your lists and make it go viral before it's too late.
Two legal tools are cited. From The 'Lectric Law Library we have the following definitions...:
MISPRISION -- In its larger sense, this word is used to signify every considerable misdemeanor, which has not a certain name given to it in the law; and it is said that a misprision is contained in every treason or felony whatever. In its narrower sense it is the concealment of a crime. Misprision of treason, is the concealment of treason, by being merely passive for if any assistance be given, to the traitor, it makes the party a principal, as there is no accessories in treason. It is the duty of every good citizen, knowing of a treason or felony having been committed; to inform a magistrate. Silently to observe the commission of a felony, without using any endeavors to apprehend the offender, is a misprision. Misprisions which are merely positive, are denominated contempts or high misdemeanors; as, for example, dissuading a witness from giving evidence.

MISPRISION OF FELONY -- Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the U.S., conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the U.S. 18 USC Misprision of felony, is the like concealment of felony, without giving any degree of maintenance to the felon for if any aid be given him, the party becomes an accessory after the fact.
...and also this:
MANDAMUS -- The name of a writ, the principal word of which when the proceedings were in Latin, was mandamus, we command. It is a command issuing in the name of the sovereign authority from a superior court having jurisdiction, and is directed to some person, corporation, or, inferior court, within the jurisdiction of such superior court, requiring them to do some particular thing therein specified, which appertains to their office and duty, and which the superior court has previously determined, or at least supposes to be consonant to right and justice.Mandamus is not a writ of right, it is not consequently granted of course, but only at the discretion of the court to whom the application for it is made; and this discretion is not exercised in favor of the applicant, unless some just and useful purpose may be answered by the writ. This writ was introduced to prevent disorders from a failure of justice; therefore it ought to be used upon all occasions where the law has established no specific remedy, and where in justice and good government there ought to be one. Mandamus will not lie where the law has given another specific remedy.The 13th section of the act of congress of Sept. 24, 1789, gives the Supreme Court power to issue writs of mandamus in cases warranted by the principles and usages of law, to any courts appointed or persons holding office, under the authority of the United States. The issuing of a mandamus to courts, is the exercise of an appellate jurisdiction, and, therefore constitutionally vested in the supreme court; but a mandamus directed to a public officer, belongs to original jurisdiction, and by the constitution, the exercise of original jurisdiction by the supreme court is restricted to certain specified cases, which do not comprehend a mandamus. The latter clause of the above section, authorizing this writ to be issued by the supreme court to persons holding office under the authority of the United States, is, therefore, not warranted by the constitution and void.The circuit courts of the United States may also issue writs of mandamus, but their power in this particular is confined exclusively to those cases in which it may be necessary to the exercise of their jurisdiction.
While many bloggers seem to see some remedy in this approach, my personal opinion is that this is not strong enough to do the job. Only the Supreme Court would have the oversight to issue a writ against an administration, and the conflict between the Sept. 24, 1789 act of Congress and the Constitution would have to be resolved in a time-consuming legal wrangle. However, I am totally sympathetic to the blogger's premise. The quasi-legal destruction of the founding fathers' vision would be most ideally countered through legal channels.

Argument Against Trusting Elections

There are two major arguments against putting faith in an electoral remedy. First, Obama usurped the census from the Commerce Department and arbitrarily moved it under White House jurisdiction. Then he enlisted his left-wing crony organizations, such as ACORN, to do the legwork. This is seen by many as an attempt to influence districting and representation.

Second, the Democrats in Congress are moving aggressively right now to obtain amnesty, and possibly voting rights, for all the illegal aliens currently in the country, which would add 12 million more votes for the socialist agenda. On April 5 one commenter on an Examiner article put it this way:
I am beginning to think a violent take over is the only way out of the mess this Marxist and his enablers are getting us into. With ACORN and SEIU conducting the next census and the counting of illegal aliens [Obama] will forever change the landscape for ALL of us.

Eric Massa's Secret

May 24, 2010 -- On Monday, Esquire magazine broke the story of Eric Massa's secret. Titillatingly titled Eric Massa on David Petraeus Military Coup in the source code, which renders this teaser in Google search blurbs, the actual story is tamer. Former (and now disgraced) Congressman Eric Massa had met with the editors a month ago to divulge a secret he claimed to have been harboring.
Long before the Eric Massa scandal broke, the congressman carried the lonely burden of another secret that, if revealed, would turn his world upside down. An extraordinary look inside the mind of a man in the crisis of his lifetime.... He had told no one — no one on his congressional staff or in his family, not his parents, not even his wife....

Petraeus, the commander of United States Central Command, whose portfolio contains the worst trouble spots on the globe, including Iraq and Afghanistan, had recently met with Cheney — twice — and Cheney was trying to recruit him to run in 2012. Were he to be the nominee, Massa said, Petraeus would be in the unprecedented position of a military man running for president against his own commander in chief....
The increasingly irrational and emotional Massa described this as treason, as a "coup" and military overthrow. In fact, it could be done with complete legitimacy. Petraeus would have to retire first, and then he would be in no different stance than George Washington, Dwight Eisenhower, Wesley Clark, and other candidates with military background. And his professional dignity and record of military service certainly render him a credible candidate.

Current Blog Posts

Today, this article appeared -- A Country on the Brink:
This occupant of the White House (it is just too painful and too much of a show of respect to call him president) has done more to undermine the Constitution, democracy and the economy of this country than any of his predecessors. Since his inauguration he has shown nothing but contempt for our laws and the people of this country in order to lead the United States down the dark and crater-filled road to socialism....

IF THERE WAS EVER A TIME IN OUR HISTORY TO SAVE OUR BELOVED COUNTRY, IT IS NOW BEFORE ITS DESTRUCTION IS COMPLETE. OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BECOME OUR ENEMY AND IT IS AN ENEMY THAT MUST BE DEFEATED AT ALL COSTS.
Memorial Day is approaching, and this president who does not salute the flag plans to blow off the observance and take a family vacation to Chicago. Recall the famous lines from the poem In Flanders Fields?
....We are the dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
Few who understand the vision of our founding fathers can doubt that this President -- who goes abroad apologizing for our country, who bends the knee to foreign heads of state, who snubs our traditional allies and embraces socialist dictators -- has broken faith. If the time of reckoning should come, perhaps even the unquiet dead will align against him.

Wednesday, September 9, 2009

The Transnational Plan for Obama Advances - to the UN Security Council

Since World War II, the threat of weapons of mass destruction is the old saw used by Marxist-fascist-progressive globalists, in their trans-generational movement to bring the entire world under their vision, for the state controlled society. And the ignorant elitism of the UN machinery, is their essential device.

To "trans"paraphrase Shakespeare and Orwell:


All the world is an Animal Farm,
and we are the less equal, in it

Why, one asks, has Barack Obama been given the symbolic keys to that entity's most elite vehicle?
<<<<<<<<<<<<<> I.O.<>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Obama to Head UN Security Council

by Nancy Matthis, American Daughter

Here’s one more indicator of loss of US sovereignty to global socialism — Barack Obama will chair the UN security council this month:

Barack Obama will cement the new co-operative relationship between the US and the United Nations this month when he becomes the first American president to chair its 15-member Security Council.

The topic for the summit-level session of the council on September 24 is nuclear non-proliferation and nuclear disarmament – one of several global challenges that the US now wants to see addressed at a multinational level.

“The council has a very important role to play in preventing the spread and use of nuclear weapons, and it’s the world’s principal body for dealing with global security cooperation,” Susan Rice, US envoy to the UN, said last week.

Her remarks were the latest by the Obama administration to emphasise a shift from the strategy of the previous Bush administration, sometimes criticised by its UN partners for seeking to use the world body principally to endorse its own unilateral policies. The US currently holds the month-long rotating presidency of the Security Council.

The blog MIDKNIGHT REVIEW was first in the ’sphere to discuss this development. Their article comments:

Obama has plenty of time on his hands so he got himself appointed U.N. Security Counscil Chairman.

He writes and presents 263 major televised speeches in 231 days - more than any other full term President in history. One would think that this, in and of itself, would take up most of the working day. He superintends 15 Cabinet heads and more than 30 “czars.” He has a security briefing each and every day. He conducts beer summits but does not have time to properly vett his radical appointees, people like Van Jones ——- and others. And now he is going to serve the world for peace in the capacity of Chairman of the U.N. Security Council.

….Soft Coup or not, this man needs to be defeated.

There’s a whole lot of damage to be done to an already reeling US economy here, as the inexperienced president deals with seasoned diplomats. This man has never managed so much as a candy store. Now he is at the mercy of the Iran-Venezuela oil alliance which obviates any US nuclear sanctions, the Chinese debt holders who may force a different world currency standard than the dollar, the global warming folk who want to use that hoax to bring the US down.

What elements of our sovereignty might the man surrender? We should be very very concerned!

Leader of the Free World
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