Tuesday, September 15, 2009

Orly Taitz Watch: Saboteur? - Judge Carter's Orders

Update 9/15/2004 ~ Early discovery? What early discovery? Did Orly Taitz read the orders? Does it matter, whether she did nor not?


Earlier Posting 9/15/2004 ~ As I.O. awaits the news promised for today, about Orly Taitz, which would fulfill a tip given it, yesterday, I would ask onlookers to direct their attention to yesterday's article, in TheRightSideofLife: "Barnett v. Obama: Order, Motion on Letters Rogatory, Discovery; Subpoenas? Really?; More Docs." There, one will see, by the orders given by Judge Carter, that Orly Taitz' assertion, that he has granted her expedited discovery, would be "a bit optimistic," and, ostensibly, big news to the Judge.

Instead, Taitz has been cautioned of the need to follow proper procedure and faces a motion to stay [ed., in addition to the outstanding motion to dismiss] by Obama counsel. A new Obama motion, effectively invited by a door opened through Taitz' consistent waywardness? See the thread of comments. I.O. will highlight the latest, to date:
GeorgetownJD says:

Mike says:

“Yet, commenter “GeorgetownJD” took note of the following today:

Orly has already announced, on the G. Gordon Liddy show radio show today, that she is jumping the gun and sending out subpoenas and noticing up depositions next week (despite the clear prohibition of discovery prior to the MANDATORY Rule 26(f) conference with defense counsel). Given her disrespect for the rules, I’d say that the US Attorney has valid grounds for seeking a stay.

* * *

So it seems to me either:

1. [Orly] is lying and judge Carter did not give her the go ahead to immediately begin discovery which is what Georgetown JD seems to be implying.”

I implied nothing. I stated a fact. Orly announced that on Monday she will be serving requests for production and notices of depositions. Another fact: Orly has not scheduled, much less participated in, the requisite discovery conference.

Here, I’ll save you having to “interpret” my opinion: Orly does not know what she is doing. The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and the Federal Rules of Evidence are meaningless to her. She will continue to fumble around and commit error after error, and each time will blame it on the court or the judge or the NWO or the MSM. Orly is as predictable as the sunrise.

Predictable, indeed.

What questions come to mind, for one who is apparently very intelligent, but who, very apparently, fails to learn how to do his or her work competently?

What questions come to mind, when a person seems to make sure he or she gets in front of other, competent attorneys, in order to be there first, to litigate eligibility challenges, then consistently spoils the honest intentions of his or her clients, by his or her "mistakes?"

What are the words in the dictionary, for someone who, over and over again, fails the sacred trust placed in him or her, by that person's clients and supporters?

Does the term, "hand in glove" come to mind? Or, just way, way out of hand?

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22 comments:

Anonymous said...

Note also Taitz' misrepresentation in that article.

Lie: Taitz sent a letter to the DOJ about discovery and "IN RESPONSE," to her letter, they filed a Motion to Stay.

Truth: DOJ filed the Application to Stay on Friday. Taitz did not send her letter until Sunday. Therefore, there's no way that the DOJ could have filed their Application to Stay "in response" to her letter.

Note: Also important, instead, rather than spending her time preparing an opposition to the DOJ Application (as did Kreep), Taitz sent out a letter saying that she is going to file an amended complaint (FURTHER delaying the case) and that she's going to file papers to get Kreep disqualified.

Anonymous said...

To clarify, I'm speaking of her recent article slamming this site and RSOL for challenging her.

Anonymous said...

As FYI, Taitz faces BOTH a Motion to Dismiss (filed 9/4) and a Motion/Application to Stay Discovery (filed 9/10).

Kreep has already filed his Opposition to the Application for Stay (9/14), in which he addresses the Motion to Dismiss.

Orly? She's spending her time writing silly letters and posting attacks on this site and others.

Arlen Williams said...

Thank you.

faucetman said...

It is YOU sir I suspect, not Orly. Also Gary Creep inserted himself back into this case only AFTER Orly actually was getting somewhere. She will get rid of him and rightly so. She has done what no one, including the GREAT Donofrio, hasn't been able to do. She has a case that is going to be heard on the merits. Also for you Canada Free Press pals. I have a HUGE story and important information that will blow the lid off this administration......I just can't tell you about it. Blah, Blah, Blah.
You people are pathetic. You and your stupid little internet radio program that 2 people listen to. Lave Orly alone you fraud.

Arlen Williams said...

Faucetman,

They were clients who had been trusting Orly Taitz, but who were becoming sufficiently uncomfortable with her, who decided to seek safe harbor in the care of Gary Kreep.

How would Gary Kreep steal them? If he did, perhaps Orly should sue Gary for "alienation of affection?"

json said...

Arlen,
Check out Orly's blog. If the court document stated, "the Court encourages the parties to begin discovery before the Scheduling Conference", how do you explain that?

Anonymous said...

Read the whole sentence, starting with UNLESS....

That's a very big "unless" especially in light of the motion to dismiss and motion to stay on that very point.

Note also "encourages" is NOT an "order." It's SUGGESTIVE, not mandatory.

Arlen Williams said...

Thanks for the flying on I.O's wing, Anonymous, and for lending your well informed perspective.

Anonymous said...

For those who can't see the forest for the trees ... Carter was advising that they better get started on discovery because time is limited if they wait - and this is AFTER he led up to this point with his overall concern that this is a very important matter that has to be settled for the sake of those effected. All along with the many cases that have failed, the question has been - "it's the judge, stupid". Now, with getting more and more public attention to the matter it seems that the judiciary might just be waking up to the fact that they could be seen, in history, as complicit with those hiding facts - Constitutional facts. Orly has been the one who has been getting that public notice to the question. It's not the dog in the fight ... it's the fight in the dog. That fight in others who have failed has diminished to a caricature of the two old muppets up in the balcony griping and laughing about the actors way down on the stage. They now contribute nothing to the main theme but gossip.

They were clients who had been trusting Orly Taitz, but who were becoming sufficiently uncomfortable with her, who decided to seek safe harbor in the care of Gary Kreep.

That just doesn't even cut basic logic. If they had become so "sufficiently uncomfortable with her" why do they now place themselves basically within a case that will go forth under her strong influence? Rather they all look now like they recognize her and her case's importance so much that they are willing to subject themselves to - what they formerly obviously concluded - losing because of the mere presence of her "bad influence" on the matter when they could easily use what discovery is out there - brought to their attention by Orly - and work their own case without the one they so "sufficiently" feel "uncomfortable" with. Now, just who are the dopes??!!

Anonymous said...

I came here via Orly Taitz's site and am extremely disappointed with what I am reading. Rather than continuing your supposed search for the truth about Obama, you are now obviously dedicated to smearing another individual.

Whether or not Orly Taitz is guilty of any of the things with which you charge her, a blog is not the forum to place your accusations. Rather, you should go to a prosecutor and file a criminal complaint if it is valid. Faxing a letter to Judge Carter is not proper protocol.

Why are you turning your energies to investigating an attorney? Why don't you research things the way J.B. Williams does and come up with some facts?

If Larry Sinclair was asked to do something illegal, it is up to him to report it to the police or a prosecutor, not to a judge presiding over a case. The judge is not ORLY's judge; he is Obama's judge. I thought all of you here wanted transparency?

That is why I do not visit IO anymore, nor do I listen to your radio show, which I used to enjoy. I am very, very disappointed in your unprofessional behavior, even if what you say turns out to be true.

Anonymous said...

And one more thing: Orly posted the transcript of the court proceedings from September 8, and it very well DOES say that discovery should begin now so both sides will be prepared for October 5 and a very tight schedule after that. Yes, it's necessary to verify things, but she put it out there and the meaning is clear. So your credibility is now zero.

Anonymous said...

Lie: Taitz sent a letter to the DOJ about discovery and "IN RESPONSE," to her letter, they filed a Motion to Stay.

Maybe that's your interpretation, Anonymous, but it looks generally like Orly responded to Carter's admonition to get going on discovery by doing just that and the opposition responded to such advisory by the Judge, not to her letter, by their motion to stay such discovery. They're in the waiting mode then, not her. Not knowing their availability she gave them her availability to meet anytime it would appear. The ball that has been initiated by her is now in their court.

A pen said...

Hamilton said......"When the first principles of civil society are violated, and the rights of a whole people are invaded, the common forms of municipal law are not to be regarded. Men may then betake themselves to the law of nature; and, if they but conform their actions, to that standard, all cavils against them, betray either ignorance or dishonesty. There are some events in society, to which human laws cannot extend; but when applied to them lose all their force and efficacy. In short, when human laws contradict or discountenance the means, which are necessary to preserve the essential rights of any society, they defeat the proper end of all laws, and so become null and void."

What of the rules of a court are greater than a question the answer to which is a necessary function of the supreme law? Had the constitution been satisfied as would be legally discoverable in the very court whose powers are to be aimed at the protection of the same constitution, we would not require that court to uphold its oath. It is more the duty of every sworn office of these United States to bear fidelity to that oath and put no other law or rule or reason in front of defending that law. It is repugnant to common sense that all one might do to alter the constitution or render it void would be to create a rule to that effect. In fact there appears to be a will to find a rule to effect such a position. It is totally a manufactured delay in satisfying the law and abetting that delay are the courts.

Anonymous said...

REPEAT : The effort you are expending in an effort to wrongfully sabotage Attorney Orly Taitz court cases, her personal life, her businesses, and her reputation may very well, under existing federal law, rise to the level of "racketeering" ("R.I.C.O.") and/or "obstruction of justice", which are felonies. Unless you IMMEDIATELY cease and desist, I will formally request the F.B.I. initiate an in-depth investigation into your activities, your connections, and your true motivation(s) for wrongfully interfering with and harassing Attorney Orly Taitz as she lawfully pursues justice through the courts. Govern yourselves accordingly.

Anonymous said...

1. Bravery vs. Cowardice- Except for a few, America’s ruling class, including attorneys, have run from the issue of Obama’s eligibility. A few attorneys have filed a couple lawsuits but always with one eye on the current public perception of so-called “birthers.” As an American, I have become rather disgusted with the cowardice of these attorneys who make half-hearted attempts-not to mention the cowardice of the media. It is somewhat understandable that these attorneys would not invite the Cat 6 hurricane of attack by getting involved in the eligibility issue. However, one attorney, Dr. Taitz has shown true American courage in the face of intense opposition and has never stopped her tireless efforts- which has probably come at great cost to her and her three sons.

2. Competence vs. Buffoonery- In light of the fact that Orly, an immigrant, has stepped up to the plate when no other American attorney truly has, made great sacrifices, and has opened herself to attack, I make the following points;

a. Does anyone think any American faults her for making English spelling errors or any judge for that matter? Or is she admired for being able to achieve and accomplish so much in her relatively short time in America?

b. Since we are talking here about who has the best chance of winning these court cases, answer this question: Does anyone really believe that an attorney that is better at dotting I’s and crossing T’s or perfect in the nuances of American courtroom protocol will have their court case heard and not thrown out by today’s brave judiciary? Or might it just be possible that any judge brave enough to even consider hearing an Obama “natural born” case in the first place, may respond better to a highly intelligent, conscientiously motivated attorney?

c. Many of Orly’s pundits cannot see straight because of their own fears that someone could mess up everyone’s chances at seeing Obama’s birth certificate. I remind everyone that this is Orly’s chance- she earned it, she inspired the people, and many educated military personnel have chosen her for their attorney. Are all these plantiffs morons or might they just be a little smarter than those of us speculating from a distance? This speaks volumes for her competence.

d. So who is truly competent and who is the buffoon? The intelligent, educated, and passionate defender of the Constitution or some nameless, good spelling, procedural master of litigation (who some seem to be watering at the mouth for)? Remember, we have come to this point in litigation for a reason- because this woman has done what American attorneys have not- from timidity, or negligence, or just plain failure, or other. Some people really need to rethink their definitions of competence in light of what is really needed for victory in our courts.

3. Money & Fame vs. Conscience- The Power of Motives - Does anyone think Orly is in this for fame or fortune? She could have taken the easy route, lived very comfortably in her successful careers and enjoyed her time with her three sons – but her family has sacrificed everything for this great country that once chose freedom over tyranny while giving honor to the Creator. Don’t underestimate the appeal of these factors to honorable judges (we don’t have any chances with dishonorable ones anyway). These other attorneys are a dime a dozen and everyone, including judges, will believe they are in it for the money and fame. Orly has the most compelling reason for involvement (because of her background with Communism and corruption and her fresh enthusiasm, akin to our founders, for our country and constitution). This should carry a multitude of weight in making judgments about who is most qualified to bring successful litigation.


Let this attorney do what she is so well equipped for and may other attorneys swallow their egos, forget their fear, and offer their services and expertise pro-bono… leave her at the helm.

Anonymous said...

Orly's case tossed in Georgia. Defense costs to be paid by plaintiff, future cases of this type in this court will result in sanctions against Orly, A judicial smackdown of this ridiculous conspiracy theory.

Joe Sixpack said...

Orly is not perfect, but no one else has had the guts to deal with this. Even Ron paul didn't ask questions or interrupt the certification in January.

Personally, I still think the constitution is important, so I am glad that Orly continues this.

Arlen Williams said...

Such courage, so many of these anonymous posts display. I think I should treat this one

I came here via Orly Taitz's site and am extremely disappointed with what I am reading. Rather than continuing your supposed search for the truth about Obama, you are now obviously dedicated to smearing another individual.

Someone has to "question with boldness," when there is a track record of odd, odd "mistakes." I think the end of my 9/16 article deals with answering this well enough

Whether or not Orly Taitz is guilty of any of the things with which you charge her, a blog is not the forum to place your accusations. Rather, you should go to a prosecutor and file a criminal complaint if it is valid. Faxing a letter to Judge Carter is not proper protocol.

1. I have not charged Orly Taitz with anything.
2. Who? What? Did someone fax a letter to Judge Carter about this? Not me.

Why are you turning your energies to investigating an attorney? Why don't you research things the way J.B. Williams does and come up with some facts?

1. Again, the articles make that clear.
2. Aiming to show what both J.B.W. and Leo Donofrio are coming up with, on that subject.
3. I am still wrestling with spending the time, to document Orly Taitz' history of strange "mistakes," disruptions, and advertisements for ridicule (hauntingly Alinksy-like, Pivenesque themes). It would be quite time consuming and I wish someone else would spearhead it.

If Larry Sinclair was asked to do something illegal, it is up to him to report it to the police or a prosecutor, not to a judge presiding over a case. The judge is not ORLY's judge; he is Obama's judge. I thought all of you here wanted transparency?

Looks to me like he is going to the most important interested party

That is why I do not visit IO anymore, nor do I listen to your radio show, which I used to enjoy. I am very, very disappointed in your unprofessional behavior, even if what you say turns out to be true.

I don't profit from this and therefore am an amateur, not a professional, yes.

Arlen Williams said...

Maybe I should answer this one, too.

REPEAT : The effort you are expending in an effort to wrongfully sabotage Attorney Orly Taitz court cases, her personal life, her businesses, and her reputation may very well, under existing federal law, rise to the level of "racketeering" ("R.I.C.O.") and/or "obstruction of justice", which are felonies. Unless you IMMEDIATELY cease and desist, I will formally request the F.B.I. initiate an in-depth investigation into your activities, your connections, and your true motivation(s) for wrongfully interfering with and harassing Attorney Orly Taitz as she lawfully pursues justice through the courts. Govern yourselves accordingly.

BUGA-BUGA-!!

Anna said...

I don't have a side in this controversy, but I like a clear record and I will say that the defense filed a motion to stay on September 10th; Orly Taitz filed a letter with the court on September 13th. It is not possible, though she says it, that the defense filed for a stay in response to her letter.

Paul said...

The birthers, the tea baggers, the screamers, and the deathers continued extreme minority presence will become tiresome to mainstream America, if it has not already done so. To all the birthers in La, La Land, it is on you to prove to all of us that your assertion is true, if there are people who were there and support your position then show us the video (everyone has a price), either put up or frankly shut-up. I heard Orly Taitz, is selling a tape (I think it’s called “Money, Lies and Video tape”). She is from Orange County, CA, now I know what the mean when they say “behind the Orange Curtain”, when they talk about Orange County, the captial of Conspiracy Theories. You know Obama has a passport, he travel abroad before he was a Senator, but I guess they were in on it. In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while trying to take away the rights of those they just hate) and that’s who they need to extract from their party if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”. I heard that she now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC).