'Quo Warranto for 'Interested Persons'' - Leo Donofrio; Plus Related Items: Are You 'Interested?'

Constitutional lawyer, Leo Donofrio and constitutional journalist, John Charlton have weighed in, on the question of jurisdiction for federal quo warranto petitions for District of Columbia office holders (including those which may question their eligibility - and in case our Attorney General is reading, no pun is intended for the word "holder," yet).

This is of import to the eligibility case, Barnett, et. al., v. Obama, et. al. In addition to this Donofrio article, see references at bottom, for further context, both in history and in present ramifications.

Quo Warranto for 'Interested Persons'

by Leo Donofrio, 10/9/2009

Section 16-3503 of the federal quo warranto statute allows an “interested person” to approach the DC District Court concerning a quo warranto trial (by jury) without requiring the permission of the US Attorney General or the US Attorney for DC.

An “interested person” may sign a “certified complaint” which states facts and those facts must be sworn to under penalty of perjury. Only facts may be sworn to, not allegations. The “interested person” gathers up all facts known to him/her and puts them in the petition, swears to them under oath and hands that in to the Court. Pretty simple, folks.

One fact which could safely be sworn to is that Obama was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 and that he was – at birth – a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies. These are facts admitted by Obama. These facts have never been laid before the DC District Court. These facts are not in the complaint before Judge Carter. Why not?

16-3503 states:

If the Attorney General or United States attorney refuses to institute a quo warranto proceeding on the request of a person interested, the interested person may apply to the court by certified petition for leave to have the writ issued. When, in the opinion of the court, the reasons set forth in the petition are sufficient in law, the writ shall be allowed to be issued by any attorney, in the name of the United States, on the relation of the interested person…

Plaintiffs in Barnett v. Obama allege that they have standing which is unique and special compared to the public at large. Therefore, they should have availed themselves of 16-3503.

But they’ve never even tried.

Plaintiffs have only attempted to avail themselves of 16-3502. All citizens are considered “third persons” under 16-3502, but all citizens don’t have unique standing and therefore 16-3502 requires permission by the Department of Justice to use the name of the US – ex relator – ina quo warranto proceeding.

But if you are an “interested person” under 16-3503 – aka a person with unique standing – then you do not need permission from the Department of Justice for the quo warranto.

The DC District Court examines the certified petition prior to allowing the suit to go forth based upon that petition. If the court is satisfied that the person issuing the petition is an “interested person” then that person is not needed any longer for the trial.

Once the name of the United States is allowed to be used, the “interested person” may step off, and the facts alleged are to be tried independently. For example, facts concerning what makes the President ineligible have nothing to do with the particular plaintiffs in Barnett v. Obama. So there’s no need for them to travel across the country for the trial. The trial is brought against the alleged usurper in the name of the United States.

There’s nothing stopping the plaintiffs from petitioning the DC District Court right now based upon facts known and verifiable as to the President’s British birth.

Why has this option been ignored? 16-3503 provides an excellent chance for review of these facts. There it is. Why not use it? A golden opportunity is being thrown by the way side.

Either the DC District Court will agree that these military persons are “interested persons” or it will not. Either the DC District Court will agree that 2008 Presidential candidate Alan Keyes is an “interested person” or it will not.

If the DC District Court does not agree that these plaintiffs are “interested persons” under the statute, then plaintiffs can make the same arguments they are making now before Judge Carter.

I don’t see any tactical advantage at all in avoiding the DC District Court.

Why give one of your tickets away for free? Why give away your best ticket for free? Why not avail yourself of the very statute created by Congress to review the eligibility of all US national office holders?

Doing so also avoids “political question doctrine” issues because the quo warranto statute is a congressional exercise of Constitutional authority to review the President’s eligibility. Why not kill two birds with one stone? Also, all arguments that a quo warranto action is too late now that he’s been sworn in are just patently bogus.

Quo warranto can only be invoked against somebody holding an office under false title.

Quo warranto only applies to actual usurpation not possible usurpation. It is the legislature’s sole enactment which allows judicial review of the President’s eligibility. And it appears that serious attempts are being made to avoid it. Before going off point and trying to force this issue upon courts which have not been given such authority, an action should have been brought – and still can be – under 16-3503.

Look people, I’m trying to help. Read this over a few times until it sinks in.

Leo C. Donofrio, Citizen Attorney - http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com

Copyright 2009

This article follows Mr. Donofrio's Natural Born Citizen piece, "Judge Carter Does Not have Subject Matter Jurisdiction for Quo Warranto in Barnett v. Obama." There, he muses over the ostensible failure of Obama's personal Department of Justice representation (personal DoJ representation? - what nation is this?) in their not citing the most relevant case, to demonstrate inappropriate jurisdiction. That case is State of Wisconsin v. First Federal Savings and Loan Association.

In The Post & Email, John Charlton analyzes the Wisconsin decision and this underscores the validity of Donfrio's point: "The 7th Circuit Court's Argument Against Quo Warranto's Use - and its Applicability to Barnett vs. Obama." At the same time, he would be reaching a bit, to find any other valid, quo warranto path. A path must be made, potentially via the People's petition for redress of grievances, where government has not already provided a path for constitutional rights and powers to be maintained. However, as Donofrio described, a sensible path has been provided.

Why so Wisconsin-less?

This is a strategically important question, indeed. DoJ attorneys do not fail to find cases cataloged as being those, most directly relevant. And this question is particularly, painfully relevant for those who seriously consider the little daydream: What if this Orly Taitz case were, somehow, set up to be Obama's "chosen one," for the doing of his Marxofascist insurrection's bidding?

Do Obama (and his "transnational progressive" web of string pullers) want eligibility cases brought to a head... in this particular case... in its particular, scheduled time? If so, why?

But, perhaps the most important questions here, are these:

• Do we who seek the authentic, constitutional America, wish to petition the court constitutionally, in the District of Columbia?
• Is this the appropriate move to make, at this time?
• Are some willing to take the lead before Orly Taitz does, this time?
• As the Soros-Obama-Pelosi revolution continues to destroy America, chiefly through violently and steadily draining our economy, is there any time to waste?

Leo Donofrio discussed this quo warranto quandary at the end of the first hour, of his Monday 10/5 interview, on "The Awakening," hosted by yours truly. The rest of the discussion focused upon the new Hawaiian investigations of Barack Obama's birth certificate and related documents, subject to Hawaii's open access law.

These sites are recommended, for keeping tabs on the players and their moves:

Natural Born Citizen
The Post & Email
The Right Side of Life
I may move in and out of it again, as well. Feel free to comment upon any of these questions, there, or in Investigating Obama.

Arlen Williams

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Orly Taitz Watch - Another Unsigned Filing

From the Columbus (GA) Ledger-Enquirer, today:

Attorney Orly Taitz files motion to withdraw as lawyer for Capt. Connie Rhodes

By ALAN RIQUELMY - ariquelmy@ledger-enquirer.com

Attorney Orly Taitz, a national figure in the “birther” movement and lawyer for an Army captain who sought to stop her deployment to Iraq on arguments that President Barack Obama can’t legitimately hold office, has filed a motion to withdraw as the captain’s lawyer.

Taitz, who represents Capt. Connie Rhodes, filed her latest motion Saturday. It cites two court documents as reasons for withdrawing from the case — a Sept. 18 order from U.S. District Court Judge Clay Land threatening $10,000 in sanctions against Taitz and a letter purportedly signed by Connie Rhodes, which asks for Taitz to be removed as her attorney.

“In order to defend herself, the undersigned counsel will have to contest and potentially appeal any sanctions order in her own name alone, separately from the plaintiff, by offering and divulging what would normally constitute inadmissible and privileged attorney-client communications,” Taitz states. “The undersigned attorney will also offer evidence and call witnesses whose testimony will be adverse to her (former) client’s most recently stated position in this case.”

It appears, however, that Taitz didn’t sign her motion. Court records filed Monday state that the motion must be filed again because Taitz didn’t sign it.

Is she trying to appear incompetent? If so, then incompetent instead of what?

h/t: vikk

Orly Taitz Watch, '...'Eligibility' Movement Members Breaking Ties...'

As reported in Orange County, California's, OC Weekly, excerpts and a click-thru, provided -- sometimes even conventional media get it pretty straight. Then again, when the news is as bad as this is, why would they need to make things up?

It starts by addressing Lucas Smith, purported Kenyan birth certificates, and the alleged suborning of perjury on the part of Orly Taitz, DDS.

Anti-Obama 'Eligibility' Movement Members Breaking Ties With Laguna Niguel Birther Orly Taitz
By Spencer Kornhaber
Published on September 23, 2009 at 11:43am

Birther Defects
Members of the anti-Obama ‘eligibility’ movement are breaking their ties with Laguna Niguel attorney Orly Taitz

John Gilhooley picture, captioned, "Orly Taitz: Big birther"

In a Santa Ana federal courtroom on Sept. 8, Dr. Orly Taitz had a clear message for Judge David O. Carter: Lucas Smith, a witness whom she had brought from the Dominican Republic that morning, had to testify that day—before it was too late.

“The biggest issue we have today is that evidence is disappearing,” said the Laguna Niguel dentist, lawyer and real-estate agent who is attempting to sue President Barack Obama out of office. “We have a number of parties that had evidence, that had knowledge that might be detrimental to the defense, that were found dead. . . . We have the most important, the most crucial witness. We have to be able to work something that they [the U.S. attorney representing Obama] can hear what he says, that you can hear what he says, that there is a record of it. . . . If, God forbid, something happens to this witness, at least we will have his testimony here.”

Carter didn’t oblige. After all, Taitz’s lawsuit against Obama hadn’t even reached the discovery stage, and the defense had been given no notice that she planned to call a witness that day. But Taitz ended up being right about one thing: Smith, who says he obtained Obama’s original birth certificate in Kenya, likely won’t get another chance to testify in Santa Ana. A week after the hearing, he says he has cut ties with Taitz because she asked him to lie under oath, making him the latest in a string of “birthers” to publicly criticize the woman who has become the face of the movement.

“I finally told her to forget it, we’ll part ways,” Smith told the Weekly on Sept. 16. “I definitely do not want anything to do with this dentist/wannabe movie star.”

After going on about Smith, it addresses Larry Sinclair and once again, an alleged suborning of perjury.

He flew to Orange County from Florida, but the night before the hearing, Sinclair says, Taitz told him to testify he knew about three people who had been killed by Obama—a charge that Sinclair says isn’t true. The next day, he told her he wouldn’t testify and would be flying home.

Then, the topic becomes the Orly Taitz problems of Cpt. Connie Rhodes

On the same day, Rhodes sent a letter to the court saying she had not authorized Taitz to fight Lands’ ruling and that she would be filing a California State Bar complaint against Taitz.

I.O. still knows of no refutation of the apparent letter/fax from Cpt. Rhodes to Judge Lands regarding misbehavior on the part of Taitz. The investigations and analysis of Larry Sinclair and net-radio's "MommaE," addressing oddities about this missive were apt, but as MommaE soon related, such evidence was not conclusive.

This article ends thusly.

Taitz wouldn’t speak to the Weekly for this story, other than to say that everything Smith had said was a lie—except the part about obtaining the Kenyan birth certificate. On her blog, though, she has lashed out at her detractors in the mainstream media, the judiciary and the birther movement. “Please don’t listen to vicious rumors,” she wrote on Sept. 16. “I am getting close to removing the usurper.”

But, the story goes on. The Judge in Charles Kerchner's suit (Mario Apuzzo, attorney) is stalling, but the Orly Taitz story goes on. And Gary Kreep, Markham Robinson, and Wiley Drake have to cope, trying to steer the boat of Barnett, et. al. v. Obama against Tatiz' sails. And again, I.O. points out that traditionally, Marxist revolutions have their strategic plants in the opposition's camp.

Investigating Obama calls, once again, for information from those who have kept tabs on the Orly Taitz details, over the last year or so, especially for anyone with legal training. If you have done some logging, or can do so, especially with an eye to her management or mismanagement of cases, please email: arlenwilliams@yahoo.com.

And for further hard news and commentary, as always, one may review the Usurper roll in I.O's sidebar. There is indeed more news, including that Taitz has apparently been compelled to admit she is now persona non grata with Cpt. Rhodes. That is pretty ex post facto, it would seem. The work has already been done in that case -- and in the career of Connie Rhodes.

h/t: Hanen

Orly Taitz Watch - More Destruction of Her Own Cases? Updated with Documentation

Judge David Carter ruled that the latest filing of Orly Taitz in Barnett, et.al., v. Obama may not be supplemented, as Tatiz had apparently intended, without the permission of the defense (the Department of Justice, oddly enough). This was their response to Obama's motion to dismiss, lauded by some for its eloquence as it rambled far beyond the points of the dismissal motion. When the right hand flourishes, watch what the left hand does.

This means that while the response of Orly Tatiz, DDS is apparently incomplete, it must stand. The umpteenth harmful error by Taitz? Merely a set of errors, or worse?

This is separate from the response given by Gary Kreep, the attorney for Markham Robinson and Wiley Drake in this same case.

Judge Carter's order is linked, here. I.O. hopes to have time to further address this mess, today.

Update ~ Do you think these concerns are wrong? Do you think that Tatiz' response hit the nails on the head, or that it addressed the motion to dismiss weakly, point for point?

Feel free to compare Orly Taitz' response, to that of Gary Kreep, to Obama's motion to dismiss -- documentation:

9/23, KEYES v OBAMA - 70 - MINUTES OF IN CHAMBERS ORDER by Judge David O. Carter: DENYING REQUEST TO FILE

9/21, KEYES v OBAMA - 69 - OPPOSITION to MOTION to Dismiss Case AND MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES (from Orly Taitz)

9/18, KEYES v OBAMA - 67 - OPPOSITION to MOTION to Dismiss Case AND MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES (from Gary Kreep)

9/4, Keyes|Barnett GOV MOTION TO DISMISS - 56

Update 2/25 - This comment received. Let deciders decide.

Professor Jorgen said...

@Arlen,
She wasn't indicating that she would ammend her response to the motion to dismiss but indicating that she was going to ammend her complaint again. So that says nothing to the completeness of her response to this particular motion, they are separate in that respect.

September 25, 2009 11:53 AM

And, if you would like to hear why Markham Robinson fired Orly Taitz, listen to the first hour of "The Awakening," this past Monday. It is archived and available by clicking here.

George Soros, h1n1 Flu, Obama Usurper & Orly Taitz - Jim O'Neil & Markham Robinson, on The Awakening, Mon. 9/21, Archived

- George Soros, the Marxofascist Market Maker for the Global
Insurrection
- What's going on with the h1n1 flu?
- And, with Obama's (in)eligibility cases?
- And... with Orly Taitz?

Markham Robinson, plantiff in Barnett, et.al. v. Obama and Keyes v. Bowen, one of the original Obama eligibility challengers, will discuss the current case(s), his attorney, Gary Kreep's work, and why he fired Orly Taitz, in our first hour.

Jim O'Neil, on his excellent expose' "George Soros - Republic Enemy #1" and his new research on the h1n1 pandemic flu, in hour two.

Monday, 9/21, 9pm-11pm, ET,,, 6pm-8pm PT - [Edit: This program is archived and available to stream or download target="_blank"]
Stream it live, or listen in or call in at (646) 727-2652

Cpt. Connie Rhodes to File Complaint against Orly Taitz, to California Bar? NO, FRAUD, says Larry Sinclair, MommaE

Update 9/20/2009 ~ Emailed by "MommaE" on Sunday, 9/20

I want everyone to know that while the information that has been gathered, not only by me, but others as well that points to the Rhodes letter being a Forgery and Fraud, there are still questions about it.

If new information comes to light to continue to prove what we believe, or to change the belief that it is legitimate then that will be released to everyone immediately.

I would like to hear from Rhodes and not in letter form, as to whether she wrote it or not. So please understand that while I believe it is a Forgery and Fraud, that is based on the information that has been gathered by myself and others. There could be information out there to confirm that, or debunk that and prove that it is completely legitimate.

As far as I am concerned and there may or may not be others that feel as I do, this is an on going investigation, until there is absolutely no question in my mind, as to the legitimacy or illegitimacy of the letter.

Respectfully,

Evelyn Adams aka MommaE

of MommaE Radio Rebels

Update 9/19/2009 ~ This in now, from net-radio host, MommaE:

I just want everyone to know that the letter that was supposedly written and faxed by Capt. Connie Rhodes, MD to Judge Clay Land is a FORGERY AND A FRAUD!!!

There was another person besides me that was investigating this and we exchanged information this morning. That person was the one that knew how to get what was needed as undisputable truth. The proof is posted on this web site
http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/, along with a recording of a conservation with the Office Max Manager in Columbus, GA. The Manager, Andrea agreed to let the conservation be taped.

I hate it when some one commits this kind of act and gets everybody that is working hard for the cause in this kind of an uproar. I had told you all that when I had proven it one way or the other I would let you know and I am now letting you know. Please go to the above web site and read and listen to the Audio of the conservation. Both the notarized letter with Rhodes signature and the "LETTER WITH THE FRAUDULENT SIGNATURE IS POSTED THERE ALSO".

I want to thank all of you for being diligent enough to want to post nothing but the absolute TRUTH, while others don't care what they post or report as long as it keeps up dissension between everyone that is fighting for the Cause!

Respectfully,

Evelyn Adams

MommaE of MommaE Radio Rebels

Friday 9/18/2009 ~

Today's letter to Judge Land, by plaintiff Cpt. Connie M. Rhodes, MD:

[Edit: or is it? Based on a tip, check out the signature line. Now, someone may sign her name and underline it, as I.O. first regarded it, but it a-p-p-e-a-r-s to be a pre-printed line. That in turn appears to make the signature a photocopy, which appears to suggest the letter is a forgery. Yet more drama and disruption. Does someone have something to hide? I don't know, though. It would be a pretty stupid prank, if a prank.]

http://static.mgnetwork.com/rbl/pdf/birther_letter.pdf

Plus, see Judge Land's orders and the reasons for his punitive measures against Dr. Taitz:

http://static.mgnetwork.com/rbl/pdf/rhodes_macdonald_order.pdf

The source for this story is WRBL TV in Columbia, Georgia: "$10,000 Sanction Proposed Against 'Birther' Lawyer." They have been asked about this letter and they are trying to track it down. More to come.

Gary Kreep Interviewed, 9/15 - Barnett, et. al., v. Obama, Orly Taitz, etc. plus commentary

Last night's interview of eligibility attorney, Gary Kreep, by MommaE is available on Monks Media:

http://www.monksmedia.com/momma/9-15-09.mp3

Gary Kreep is representing Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson, in Barnett, et. al. v. Obama, while other plaintiffs are represented by Orly Taitz. Drake and Robinson released the services of Taitz, due to their concerns about her competence and her overall effect on the case. Near this time, Alan Keyes decided not to remain the lead plaintiff, while remaining in the case.

If it pleases the reader, become a listener to the entire interview of under one hour, rather than I.O. transcribing excerpts, here. You may hear MommaE "question with boldness" and Mr. Kreep, respect those questions with informative answers.

For further reporting and analysis of the issues of the last two weeks of Barnett v. Obama, I.O. suggests reading the article prior to this and its comments: "Orly Taitz Watch: Saboteur? - Judge Carter's Orders," as well as the article to which it refers, and its set of comments, in TheRightSideofLife: "Barnett v. Obama: Order, Motion on Letters Rogatory, Discovery; Subpoenas? Really?; More Docs."

For further information on the issues and troubles orbiting Orly Taitz in these proceedings, you may also wish to read the pertinent news articles linked by the blog of Gary Kreep's United States Justice Foundation.

A profile of Gary Kreep is also submitted on that site.

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To this, your correspondent will add the following personal opinions, the first, from the comments to yesterday's article, "Orly Taitz Accused of Suborning Perjury for Barnett v. Obama - Updated Including Affidavit, etc.:

There are two attorneys involved on the nbC side, in Barnett v. Obama. From what I can tell...

One of them has been honest.
One of them has experience trying cases competently.
One of them has not made any ridiculous predictions.
One of them has demonstrated the ability to read.
One of them has responded to motions the way an attorney does.
One of them has attracted only one motion from Obama against the cause (the other, two).
One of them has not tried to remove litigants!
One of them has spoken of gaining the assistance of other, experienced federal counsel.
One of them does not leave a trail of wreckage wherever that one goes.
One of them is not well on the way to intentionally or unintentionally wrecking one's own case.
One of them deserves professional respect.
One of them shows the behavior of an attorney who honors the sacred trust of one's clients and supporters.

September 16, 2009 12:37 AM

Barnett, et. al., v. Obama might still have a chance of success, if its plaintiffs were only to have counsel which does not undermine and subvert the case.

Marxist and fascist revolutions come accompanied by well planned and executed sabotage. We see that in the application and timing of the "mortgage meltdown," in the work of ACORN, George Soros, Herb and Marion Sandler, and in my opinion, Sec. Henry Paulson, COB Ben Bernanke, Sen. Charles Schumer, and whatever other members of Congress, including Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank.

Further, we see it in the planned destruction of free America and our wealth and economy (while building the state-dependent proletariat forces) in the "stimulus act," in "healthcare reform," in "cap and trade," and in "Federal Reserve oversight."

I do not know whether or not Orly Taitz is an intentional saboteur. I only see it obvious that she behaves like one. If Dr. Taitz were not front and center, the insurrection would be remiss.

Orly Taitz Accused of Suborning Perjury for Barnett v. Obama - Updated Including Affidavit, etc.

This is the breaking news mentioned last night in Investigating Obama and The Awakening. Below is a post by Larry Sinclair, from his blog, "...on all things Obama," about what he indicates he was asked by Dr. Taitz, to do.

Affidavit to be Filed with Federal Court in Santa Ana Today

I have tried to stay neutral in the cases of Orly Taitz and have even tolerated the attacks from her and her supporters. I will no longer. Orly Taitz needs to be held accountable and responsible for her actions and her actions need to be made public.

I tired to be as polite as possible when explaining how I was contacted by Orly Taitz and what transpired on September 7, 2009 in personal meetings with her. Seems Taitz and her supporters have decided they need to engage in attacks and making false statements in a chat room by the name of "The Tavern of the Ghostfighters" and other sites to try and keep up the FRAUD that I am now convinced Orly Taitz is engaged in.

Allow me to correct one thing being claimed by Taitz and her marks: Orly Taitz at no time was in any airport with me and never once yelled at me anywhere. Now to make such claims is a bit telling as to her motives.

Later today I will be faxing to the United States District Court in Santa Ana, California as well as to the U.S. Attorney's Office an Affidavit informing Judge Carter that on September 7, 2009 Orly Taitz did knowingly and intentionally ask me to appear before his Court on September 8, 2009 and give knowingly false testimony for the purpose of obtaining "expedited discovery," and to gain publicity for my book.

I have made it clear from my first going public on YouTube January 17, 2008 that I will stand by the truth and would not allow anyone to misrepresent my statements nor would I be dishonest in any way. Orly Taitz as an officer of the court engaged in behavior that if allowed to go unquestioned will harm any and all valid claims made on Barack Obama's eligibility now or in the future. In the words of an Orly Taitz supporter, "She can't lie and ask others to lie at the same time accusing Obama of lying. Lets get to the truth but we have to be honest in doing so."

The sworn affidavit will be provided to other web sites for posting in ifs PDF format for downloading by anyone who wants a copy.

The affidavit (loading may take a couple minutes):
090915 LWS Affidavit Reducedpx

http://www.scribd.com/doc/19784205/090915-LWS-Affidavit-Reducedpx

Note received from Mr. Sinclair:

Typo in paragraph 18 of the affidavit, Should have been "...I emailed Orly Taitz and informed her I would NOT be appearing..."

Please accept my apologies and post a note as to what the correct wording should have been. These people will be trying to use it against me and I will notify the US Attorney and the Court to the typo.

Larry Sinclair's fax cover sheet (click to enlarge):


Larry Sinclair's mail to the U.S. District Court involved (Sinclair explained, they do not take faxes):


I.O. repeats the call: do you also know of significantly unethical or even illegal behavior on the part of Orly Taitz, as it pertains to the movement for constitutional justice regarding Barack Obama, by the constitutional standards for natural born Citizenship? If so, please email arlenwilliams@yahoo.com. I want to help you.

We the People of the United States of America are owed competence, honesty, and allegiance, in this matter. Please see immediately prior I.O. article on Orly Taitz and Barnett v. Obama and its comments, for more reality.

Orly Taitz Watch: Saboteur? - Judge Carter's Orders

Update 9/15/2004 ~ Early discovery? What early discovery? Did Orly Taitz read the orders? Does it matter, whether she did nor not?

Earlier Posting 9/15/2004 ~ As I.O. awaits the news promised for today, about Orly Taitz, which would fulfill a tip given it, yesterday, I would ask onlookers to direct their attention to yesterday's article, in TheRightSideofLife: "Barnett v. Obama: Order, Motion on Letters Rogatory, Discovery; Subpoenas? Really?; More Docs." There, one will see, by the orders given by Judge Carter, that Orly Taitz' assertion, that he has granted her expedited discovery, would be "a bit optimistic," and, ostensibly, big news to the Judge.

Instead, Taitz has been cautioned of the need to follow proper procedure and faces a motion to stay [ed., in addition to the outstanding motion to dismiss] by Obama counsel. A new Obama motion, effectively invited by a door opened through Taitz' consistent waywardness? See the thread of comments. I.O. will highlight the latest, to date:

GeorgetownJD says:

September 12, 2009 at 12:30 pm

Mike says:

“Yet, commenter “GeorgetownJD” took note of the following today:

Orly has already announced, on the G. Gordon Liddy show radio show today, that she is jumping the gun and sending out subpoenas and noticing up depositions next week (despite the clear prohibition of discovery prior to the MANDATORY Rule 26(f) conference with defense counsel). Given her disrespect for the rules, I’d say that the US Attorney has valid grounds for seeking a stay.

* * *

So it seems to me either:

1. [Orly] is lying and judge Carter did not give her the go ahead to immediately begin discovery which is what Georgetown JD seems to be implying.”

I implied nothing. I stated a fact. Orly announced that on Monday she will be serving requests for production and notices of depositions. Another fact: Orly has not scheduled, much less participated in, the requisite discovery conference.

Here, I’ll save you having to “interpret” my opinion: Orly does not know what she is doing. The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and the Federal Rules of Evidence are meaningless to her. She will continue to fumble around and commit error after error, and each time will blame it on the court or the judge or the NWO or the MSM. Orly is as predictable as the sunrise.

Predictable, indeed.

What questions come to mind, for one who is apparently very intelligent, but who, very apparently, fails to learn how to do his or her work competently?

What questions come to mind, when a person seems to make sure he or she gets in front of other, competent attorneys, in order to be there first, to litigate eligibility challenges, then consistently spoils the honest intentions of his or her clients, by his or her "mistakes?"

What are the words in the dictionary, for someone who, over and over again, fails the sacred trust placed in him or her, by that person's clients and supporters?

Does the term, "hand in glove" come to mind? Or, just way, way out of hand?

you may wish to see comments

Archived for You to Hear - Leo Donofrio, Joan Swrisky, & J.B. Williams, on 'The Awakening,' Monday 9/14

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Update 9/15 ~ In case anyone wondered why Mr. Donofrio was not in the conversation at the very end of the program, I received this by him, via email: "got cut off... excellent show," and "can you please say goodnight to your guests Joan and JB for me, apologies." No apologies necessary, Leo! Our thanks to all, taking their time to participate, and to all those listening to the latest. And the searches, for truth and for honest servants of the People, go on.

Update 9/14 ~ Leo Donofrio will also join us tonight, to discuss J.B. Williams' new information, and perhaps the media coverup (hope he's gotten all the covers thown on him off by now) and we hope he will lend us his perspectives on the state of the movement for constitutional justice, regarding natural born Citizen eligibility. You may wish to see Leo's new item, "Reverse Analysis: Why Did Hawaii Get a Different DNC Certification Than Other States?"

Also, please note: later on in the program, I intend to discuss significant and alarming information concerning Orly Taitz; this is nothing of, by, nor from Leo Donofrio, nor our other guests.

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This Post, as of 9/13 ~ Obama exposers, J.B. Williams & Joan Swirsky, give us the backstory of their penetrating new articles, "The Theory is Now a Conspiracy And Facts Don’t Lie"​ and ​"Who Is Behind Quashing the Birth Certificate Issue?"​ respectively.​

J.B. Williams Joan Swirsky

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• Just what are the conspiracies?
• Will the latest court actions bring us justice?

Gain from their new glances behind the dark curtain that is hiding the reality of Barack Obama -- the shroud held up by his politico and media enablers, cloaking both his apparent ineligibility for the U.S. Presidency and his global Marxist ideology. Plus...

• Is Orly Taitz helping, or sabotaging the eligibility actions?
• After the 9/12 March on Washington and the ACORN revelations, is America waking up to the corruption of Soros/Obama/Pelosi Marxofascism? (And the "transnational progressivism" perverting the GOP, too?)

Join us... and perhaps other contributors to Investigating Obama and "The Awakening" broadcasts.

Alert/Update - Have You Been Asked to do Something Wrong, by Orly Taitz?

Alert/Update 9/14/2009 ~ Compatriot, if everything goes right, tomorrow, I will be able to give you more, about why I am asking you this question. Do look in. It will be very important. But if you or someone you know of has been asked by Orly Taitz to do something illegal or significantly unethical, about matters pertinent to her work on (or against) the Obama eligibility challenges, please let me know: arlenwilliams@yahoo.com.

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Original posting, as of 9/11/2009 ~ Orly Taitz Watch: Saboteur?

On Friday, August 14, I.O. called for help by those who would like to investigate and report the apparent "mistakes" in the eligibility challenges, of Orly Taitz. Also, her media-grabbing... buffoonery, would you say? And what of her other tricks, such as releasing private information over the Internet? Also in light of these, what of her instances of apparently shunning professional, volunteer help, from others? Some relevant comments and attestations were posted. You may read them:

Call for Citizen Investigators of Orly Taitz

Also, some emails were sent me. I confess, I have not afforded the time to do a professional job of collating the stories and of investigating and reporting. An entire book could be written, after all. So, at this point, I have felt inadequate to prepare a journalistic essay on The Mysteries of Orly. What I suggest at this point, is to peruse the "comments" entries to that article.

Circumstances call for a question to be asked. Is Orly Taitz involved in sabotage?

One ponders how an agent saboteur could do just what Orly Taitz has done, to be there "first with the worst" -- to become the straw man "challenger," for Barack Obama.

Who would like to document the problems of Orly Taitz with me, since I do not have the time, by myself? ("Investigating Obama" is not easy on the schedule, after all.) If I find someone who could do this, I could help you, significantly.

Meanwhile, to paraphrase the ol' Hollies...

Hey Orly Taitz,
What's your game now?
Can anybody play?

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And has she really been granted expedited discovery in California, this week? Would Gary Kreep not also be reporting this, if so? And was Taitz really granted the opportunity to present before the court today, in Georgia? If so, why her?

And if Orly Taitz makes "mistakes" which cause discoveries or presentments to be dismissed, nullified, or otherwise decided against, what does that do, to the cause of constitutional justice?

UPDATE 9/12 - Reading even the first comment below leads me to apologize for not making this clear enough. So, let me try again. Orly Taitz has a track record of getting in front of other lawyers in her rush to get to court, whether the action is civil, or military, and the same rush to be there before others appears to me to have been exhibited in the case of citizens' grand juries. That gives her a key role. She apparently tries to get there first. She sets precedent. Therefore, when she makes a "mistake" which affects a court decision, that tends to create obstacles for the entire movement which seeks constitutional justice in America, especially in the case of Barack Obama's apparent failure to demonstrate eligibility for the office of Commander in Chief as per Article 2.

Likewise, when Orly Taitz gains media attention which invites ridicule, especially by the Alinsky-types on the Obama side of the political tracks, effectively for what is she an agent?

Whether for filing in the wrong state, drafting her papers incorrectly, issuing phony subpoenas, presenting phony evidence, failing to abide by court procedures, releasing people's social security numbers, "tipping the hand" of potential lines of investigation, discrediting other attorneys, etc., the excuse of zeal and inexperience has worn way too thin. What is really going on -- and for what purpose?

"...question with boldness..."

Call for Citizen Investigators of Orly Taitz

If you have non-invasive, appropriate, and ethical means of documenting the many inconvenient/convenient "miscues" of Orly Taitz, in our pursuit of Constitutional Justice. And/or, if you have information on her background and allegiances...

...please post in comments here, or email arlenwilliams@yahoo.com

Thank you. I.O. will seek to assist you in appropriate, ethical ways.

(Time is short for I.O., this afternoon. If you wonder why, this post, you may check recent postinngs of articles and comments, here; also recent postings in Leo Donofrio's Natural Born Citizen blog, or Phil's The Right Side of Life blog.)

Judge Refuses Orly Tatiz' 'Kenyan Birth Certification' of Obama

Tip: if you are going to present a fraudulent document to a judge, file it improperly, so it does not count.

Excerpted from "Total Buzz" in the Orange County Register:

Claim of Obama’s Kenya birth record thrown out
August 6th, 2009, 2:46 pm · 4 Comments · posted by Martin Wisckol, Politics reporter

U.S. Magistrate Judge Arthur Nakazato today threw out a document that was purportedly a copy of President Barack Obama’s registration of birth in Kenya. Nakazato’s action also dismissed a request that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton have the Kenyan government verify the document.

But Nakazato said the document was improperly filed, leaving the door open for it to be filed again.

Last weekend, Mission Viejo lawyer Orly Taitz filed the document, which claimed to be a registration of Obama’s birth. The filing was part of a complaint Taitz has in Santa Ana federal court - filed on behalf of Alan Keyes, Buena Park Pastor Wiley Drake and others - alleging that Obama is not U.S. born and should be removed from office.

The document, which can be seen online, was immediately called a forgery by experts.

Judge Nakazato's comment in his "Order Striking Filed Documents from the Record" reads thusly:

WHEREAS, the documents listed below were improperly filed for the following reason(s)

Lacks proper notice (L.R. 6-1, 7-4); improper form and format (L.R. 11-3.3, 11-3.6); Counsel failed to identify her Cal. State Bar No. (L.R. 11-3.8(a)); description of motion conflicts or differs from that which counsel entered on Court's e-docket

IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the documents shall be striken from the record and shall not be considered by the Court....

As discussed in this last Monday over net-radio on "The Awakening, with Hanen & Arlen," it is time for Orly Taitz to demonstrate that she is not an agent provocateur -- a spoiler acting to be there first with the worst, before competent attorneys (and Citizens' Grand Juries) have an appropriate chance to behave sensibly and effectively before the courts, the media, and the entire populace.

Orly Taitz, what is your background? Show us the documentation of your key records, including any record of your being a patriotic American, before this last election.

h/t: Hanen, Roy

UPDATING Apparent Fraud on the Kenyan BC // Bogus Barry's Birthday Bash, Part 2: Tonight's "The Awakening" 9-11pm ET

Original post, 8/3, 3:19pm CT

Bogus Barry's Birthday Bash - Part 2!
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Mark S. McGrew, Sam Sewell, James Simpson, & Talulah - Obamologists all, join us [Jim couldn't make it, but we were joined by Dave Levine of the Sentinel Radio program of the same name.]

Celebrate with us, as we tell the Mysterious, Marxist Life Story of Barack the Destroyer...

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"This Is Your Life," Barack Obama - Part 2

• Kenyan "Certified Copy of Registration of Birth?"
• What circumstances of Barack Obama's birth do we know?
• What are plausible?
• What is this connection to the Ford Foundation?
• What are all these connections to the Federal Reserve?
• What about the consistent Goldman Sachs connections?
• Does this involve the old central bank manipulators?
• Are they conspiring with globalist Marxists and even Aquarian New Agers?
• Can we follow their own words and actions?
• Can we follow the money? Can we see how they rob us of our property?
  

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Edits During "The Awakening" -- Program Notes -- Now See This -- Now See This:

Hanen's find, an apparent source document of what seems to be a forgery of the Obama Kenyan B.C. The Bonford Austrialian birth certification with the same tracing numbers as the "Obama" B.C. of "Kenya": [8/5: link to bomford site now removed as a courtesy]

Hats off to heroine, Hanen. We will probably be posting another item about this -- then we need to get back to really Investigating Obama -- and the hideous movement behind him.

Orly Taitz, you must explain. And I.O. suggests you look for where you can responsibilities to other parties in the movement to bring true constitutional accountability to America.

Also, to Orly Taitz: please give us your own bona fides, as quickly as you jump on apparent data of others. Show us your records. And give us references throughout your life, of those who will attest to your being a patriot for America (not just what is purported from recent months).

Edit, 8/4, 12:39: Sam Sewell has published an image file of the Bomford BC, during the program. I did too, but I deleted it, because it did not turn out right. I'll try to upload the image below and however it looks, there it will be.

There, very nice. Click to enlarge. Now, who is guilty of fraud? Anyone? Ms. Taitz, what do you know about this?

Okay, I.O. Will Put Orly Taitz' Blog Back, on the 'Usurper' Blogroll

I hope I.O. doesn't come to feel like kicking itself for it.
(If so, it might get moved down to the "Selection of Sites..." blogroll. "Always be prepared.")

Lou Dobbs Interviews Keyes & Taitz over Obama's (In)eligibility - on Radio

How about on CNN? Should we hold our breath?

For at least a few days, this interview should be streamable via this link.

Alan Keyes and Orly Taitz on Obama's natural-born citizenship Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009

I.O. plans to publish a few comments about Keyes vs. Obama (California) and the case of the apparently persecuted Major Cook (Georgia) in a bit.

Taitz, Berg... Maybe the Courts Can Deal with That One Honestly -- Can We?

Phil Berg and MommaE are to be guests on "The Awakening, with Hanen and Arlen," this coming Monday, 5/11, 9pm ET. Of course, they will be talking about their suit of Orly Taitz and Ed Hale. Have to say, it is ironic that Berg, MommaE, and Hale are Democrats. Taitz' connections should be fleshed out.

Orly seems to be a raging agent of chaos: be there first, with the most errors and fodder for ridicule. Phil Berg seems as sincere about bringing Obama to accountability as he has been as a 9-11 truther. MommaE has deported herself very appealingly. In my own experiences with her I have found Lisa Ostella to be quizzical, but hardly to my knowledge, criminal.

It would be nice for all the truth to come out, but that almost never really happens. Enough would be good. Meanwhile, the apparent collaboration between Marxists and the old (ancient?) international financier "trust" continues.

Some states are beginning to fight the conspiratorial insurrection with state sovereignty laws. Obama is showing signs of attempting to override all state laws via a peculiar clause in the U.S. Constitution that, depending upon its interpretation, establishes international treaties as overriding fiat. By this interpretation, a U.N. treaty would obviate all contradictory state laws and even state constitutions.

Meanwhile, certain eligibility cases, plus the grand juries and legitimate Second Amendment movements go on.

Pardon the lack of reference links for the time being. But, here are two links for you that I suggest:

Tonight, please check out all two hours of Sam & Bunny Sewell's "Call the Shrink," 8pm ET, on Sentinel Radio. They will be exploring how we can make sense of all this chaos. Really. I suggest it. Yes, for you, if you please.

Orly Taitz, Ed Hale, et. al., Sued by Philip Berg, Evelyn Adams, Lisa Ostella, Lisa Liberi

Investigating Obama makes note of a slander suit

New Lawsuit Filed Against Orly Taitz and Ed Hale

Complaint Filed: Entire 85 Page Compaint

One hopes this will put a damper on what this loggist believes to be very unfortunate behavior, which has harmed the cause of bringing Barack Obama to accountability to the People of the U.S.A., whether that behavior has been dealt out as intentional spoilers and sowers of chaos, or merely slathered out with disregard for propriety and ethics, or whether there have been other motives and interests involved.

What Are You [We] Looking Here For?

Update, 4/16

Well, the Tax Day Tea Parties are over and... (George Soros), Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and their Marxofascist insurrection are still in power, waging war against America.

You may find that behind the multiple choice answers below, another question is breathed. What do we need to do, now?

Please continue to give us your replies and ideas. Please also have a look at those of others. There are some very good comments. It is a busy day for me, but I should be able to do more I.O. time later in the afternoon or early evening. There must always be time to win back authentic, principled America.

Originally posted, 4/14

Let's see....

Investigating Obama (I.O.) has little time today and there is, as always, a mind boggling storm of annoyance, aggravation, atrocity, and anti-American activity moving along the authoritarian lines of the Global Marxofascist/Soros/Obama/Pelosi regime.

If you are reading this, you may be paying attention to some or all of these subjects:

• The Department of Homeland Security beginning to be used as a means of authoritarian persecution of people who believe in American principles, (a.k.a., "right wing extremists")
  
• The Tax Day Tea Parties
• The new Constitutional Grand Jury movement investigating Obama
• The various and continually dragging eligibility challenges of the Usurper in Chief
• The problems of Orly Taitz
  
• The G-20 -- what really went on
• Things we have continued to learn about Barack/Barry's bad background, since the bogusly certified pseudo-election
  
• Counting the Obama White House personnel who have been under investigation
• Counting the Obama White House personnel who have Marxist ties
• Obama tyrannies that began under Bush (and earlier)
• The global fascist "sustainable development" power cabal and its potential for massive American and worldwide atrocity
  
• Tracking how the Obama administration is using your tax dollars to foment "abortion" at all stages of pregnancy, even forced abortion around the world
• What in the blazing world happened with Glenn Beck, regarding his reversal and inadequate dismissal of reports on FEMA camps and their potential for use as concentration camps*
• Other Marxofascist insanity for the controlled society: _________________________
• Solutions: how to really organize for results, from your families, neighborhoods, churchmates, friends, and local networks on down (notice: not "up," but downwards through the ranks of public servants)
  

What do you want to know more about, here?

Please comment!

or, email me: arlenwilliams@yahoo.com

* Meanwhile, I'll post an apparently somewhat tongue-in-cheeck, but actually, deathly sober video about Glenn Beck's turn-on-a-dime about DHS, FEMA and their camps:

Obama: the Only US President to be Sued - Part II

…continued, click here to read part I

By Mark S. McGrew

Most recently, of note, is a grueling 3am trip made by Dr. Orly Taitz to attend a lecture being given by the US Supreme Court’s Chief Justice John Roberts. She traveled by car, plane and car again from her office in California to a small town in Idaho, carrying two suitcases of documents. 

Her goal was to personally deliver, directly into the hands of Chief Justice Roberts these historic documents. Many of the attorney’s making lawsuits would never consider breeching protocol by bypassing “the system” and going straight to the target. 

But Orly Taitz did it and she was successful. She delivered to the Chief Justice of The United States Supreme Court: 1. Motion for reconsideration of Lightfoot v Bowen with all the supplemental briefs. 2. Quo Warranto Easterling et al v Obama et al. 3. 3300 pages with 325,000 names of people that signed a WorldNetDaily petition, demanding that the Supreme Court hear Obama elligibility cases. 4. Copy of the 130 page dossier and all the other documents sent to US Attorney General Eric Holder, and others. 

There were numerous cameras recording this event and simultaneous feed broadcast to all the campuses of the University of Idaho. Roughly 5,000 people on all the campuses had an opportunity to hear what Dr. Taitz had to say. 



Chief Justice Roberts stated to her, “I will read your documents, I will review them. Give them to my Secret Service Agent and I will review them.” His Secret Service Agent approached her and told Dr. Taitz, “Give me all the documents, I promise you Justice Roberts will get them.” 

She had a full suitcase of documents. The agent went to look for a box, and after he found a large box to fit all the documents, he showed her his badge and introduced himself as Gilbert Shaw, Secret Service Agent assigned to the security of Chief Justice Roberts. 

Dr. Taitz made her presentation in front of 800 people in the audience, including university officials, the president of the Idaho State Bar and the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Idaho, and in front of all them, Chief Justice promised to read her papers. 

Attorneys Mario Apuzzo, Dr. Orly Taitz and Phillip Berg are asking various Courts for “Quo Warranto”. 

The legal phrase Quo Warranto essentially means an explanation is being demanded for what authority Obama is using to act as President. An online constitutional resource says Quo 

Warranto “affords the only judicial remedy for violations of the Constitution by public officials and agents.” 

The Obama campaign is the greatest theft of a great Nation, America. It is the greatest fraud in American history. He is the greatest con man in American history. The major media in America is a willing participant in this fraud. American politicians are either willingly participating or ignoring the truth in front of their noses. The American election system is being made a mockery of to the World. The American Constitution is being torn up. Americans are being divided by Obama, intentionally. Obama has publicly stated his intention to commit Crimes Against Humanity by forcing Americans to perform free labor for the government. 

Obama is the only United States President in history to be sued. And he has not one lawsuit challenging his eligibility, but approximately 40 lawsuits in State and Federal Courts all across America, from Delaware to Hawaii. 

This game being played has very high stakes. If a new administration, a constitutional administration, an American administration takes power; everyone who aided and abetted Obama may be prosecuted for Treason and hanged by the neck until dead. 

Alberto Gonzales, past US Attorney General, under President George W. Bush Jr., when he gave his opinion that torture was permissible, warned the President that a future administration may prosecute him, regardless of the Gonzales opinion. 

In a realm where there is no right or wrong, only force, by whoever holds that power, is what determines who lives and who dies. 

The United States Constitution allows us to avoid that kind of behavior, but with the current power denying, disobeying, ignoring and violating that Constitution, they are exposing themselves, their families and certain of their international friends, to death by hanging. 

It truly is the time for all good men to come to the aid of America. All Americans need to forget their differences and unite in stopping Obama’s actions of destroying this country. Go to Dr. Orly Taitz’s website. She will tell you what to do and how to do it. There are form letters and addresses of the key people to send them to. This is not difficult to make your voice heard. If you do not join in saving this country, you are contributing to our downfall. People from other Nations also, should join this fight. If America fails, your country will suffer. We are asking World leaders and the citizens of all countries to join in and help us to remove the un-constitutional administration of Obama. The American people are not bad. We’re just like people anywhere, wanting the same things in life. The crimes of America are committed by officials who refuse to obey our Constitution. 

An interesting aspect of this entire affair is that this article and previous ones that I have written are first published in Russia’s Pravda.Ru service. Dr. Orly Taitz, the attorney making the most headway in the American Courts is a Russian immigrant to America. 

And the small town in Idaho, where she was finally able to present her case to the highest Justice of the highest court in America, is named “Moscow”. 

Mark S. McGrew can be reached at mcgrewmx@aol.com

- link to post in pravda.ru (porn notice re. some pravda photos) -

h/t for video of Tatiz, Roberts: Sentinel Radio blog

The views and statements expressed by Investigating Obama contributors, and in quotations and citations, are their own and do not necessarily reflect the position of Investigating Obama and Arlen Williams.