Friday, January 23, 2009

Update - Lightfoot v. Bowen, Set for 1/23 Conference, Disappears [Temporarily] from Supreme Court Docket

Update 1/23 am by Zapem, from Comments, emphasis by I.O.:

I personally checked 15 cases on the Pending Order's List myself and found those to be on the docket and fully visible from the database. I did not find any cases which were missing other than the eligibility contest cases as noted in this article.

The bottom line here is, while the Petitioners in these cases have been treated worse than second-class citizens, slandered on websites and belittled by the media without remorse, I find it ironic that no one seems to care if a President of the United States is held to the mere standard of

Update 1/22: Docket listings are back up, at the Supreme Court site. This has been another in a line of odd occurrences at the courts, pertaining to the eligibility requirement cases.

Update 1/21: Apparently, all docket items regarding Obama eligibility have disappeared but one Berg item. Received by email from Zapem:
All the cases on Obama's eligibility, even the pending ones, have been removed from the SCOTUS website.

One remains only to say that Berg v. Obama was dismissed today.

Donofrio, Wrotnowski, Schneller, Berg applications and Lightfoot all removed. I checked the other 2008 cases having nothing to do with Obama and those are still there. Something is going on.
Original Post, 1/21:

Not Found

The requested URL /docket/08a524.htm was not found on this server.

That is what now appears on the Supreme Court Web site, for the docket page of Lightfoot v. Bowen (

Here is Lightfoot attorney, Orly Taitz' post about it, from her blog.

Obama has been in power only one day and they are already playing games with the Supreme Court

Obama has been in power only one day. Suddenly today my case has disappeared from the docket. The case was not dismissed. It is supposed to be heard on the 23rd of January. Each and every American Citizen needs to call the Supreme court and demand decency from these Justices. They have violated all principles of judicial integrity and ethics by inviting Obama and Biden to the closed door meeting only a few days before the hearing. They have inaugurated him in from of millions of people, when 3 days after the inauguration they are supposed to hear my case, where I state that Obama is not eligible for presidency and never was eligible. They were supposed to recuse themselves from the inauguration. What is going on? Is Chicago mafia influencing the Supreme Court? If we don't have integrity with our elected officials and the whole system is corrupt, then it is time to revolt and change the system.
More about this will likely be posted in updates, below, as I.O. finds more to post. In the meantime, I also suggest you look into The Right Side of Life and its overall status page, "Eligibility Lawsuits," regarding news of other suits.

This is how the docket appeared before it vanished.
No. 08A524
Title: Gail Lightfoot, et al., Applicants
Debra Bowen, California Secretary of State

Lower Ct: Supreme Court of California
Case Nos.: (S168690)

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dec 12 2008 Application (08A524) for a stay pending the filing and disposition of a petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Kennedy.
Dec 17 2008 Application (08A524) denied by Justice Kennedy.
Dec 29 2008 Application (08A524) refiled and submitted to The Chief Justice.
Jan 7 2009 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of January 23, 2009.
Jan 7 2009 Application (08A524) referred to the Court.
Jan 13 2009 Suggestion for recusal received from applicant.

~~Name~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~Address~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~Phone~~~
Attorneys for Petitioners:
Orly Taitz 26302 La Paz (949) 683-5411
Counsel of Record Mission Viejo, CA 92691
Party name: Gail Lightfoot, et al.

This was relayed by FReeper, "cacoethes_resipisco" from a Google search cache, through this URL:

ht: dl


Carlyle said...

If it weren't so serious, it is actually rather pathetic watching them all scurrying around - trying to look important - as if nothing were amiss. To put things in perspective, transport yourself to maybe 1975 or 1980. Suppose the president you just elected turned out to be born in East Germany and for years has been and still is a Russian citizen. Would you find that alarming? How much circumstantial evidence would you need to at least feel compelled to ask some questions? How much more urgent would it be if almost no records were found and the ones you are sure exist would not be released by the candidate/president?

Anonymous said...

Well anyone who thought Roberts flubbed the oath on purpose was not right. Drudge is reporting that Roberts readministered the oath tonight in the Map Room of the White house. The usurper is offical...

Zapem said...

Readministering that oath is indicative of them watching everything that's out on the internet and they don't want anymore bad publicity then they've already have to deal with.

It's interesting to note that while they are pretending not to notice us, they are watching us like a hawk.

But this latest maneuver with the docket numbers, at least on the internet version, is suspect at best.

The problem is, Orly Taitz hasn't verified the reason behind it. We can't assume anything until we know the reason why and that information has to come from the clerk's office. We'll call tomorrow if Berg hasn't already done it and posts in the interim.

Anonymous said...

Are we in the 1930's with Hitler and Mousalini?

Heck even Stalin or Communist China in power yet?

Why did he have to RETAKE THE OATH? Didn't he realize at 12 p.m. on 1/20/09, he was president because of the 20th Amendment, Section 1 of the Constitution?

Oops I forgot, he also isn't a natural born citizen under the constitution. My mistake, this is a show plan and simple to try to prove he is legitimate. LOL!

Anonymous said...

We need to get Obama where it hurts him the most, his public image. He would go on the camera and say flowery things like his presidency will have transparency, except for his personal records of course. However, behind the scene his goons would sabotage, erase and destroy everything that may hurt the usurper's presidency. Remember when MSM trashed Palin and Obama went in front of the camera and acted like he cared, but we all knew that he had a hand in it. We need to call him out, in front of the camera, on his transparency by showing us his BC. Any ideas?

Arlen Williams said...

Always worth brainstorming about, latest Anon. How about an email to O' that says:

Bill, if Obama wants transparency, why doesn't he put his actual birth certificate under our reading glasses? This is not an indiscretion, he didn't just break wind. He's flaunting the Constitution he just swore to "preserve, protect, and defend."

(Then again, even if he were born in Dorthy Gale's Kansas farmhouse, he is not a natural born Citizen and since Indonesia, probably not a Citizen at all.)

Anonymous said...

The conservative members of SCOTUS know that they need an air-tight case they can win.

Should any one of these cases be accepted, and Obama wins the decision, this issue is DEAD!

We have time, we just need the perfect case. The case with irrefutable proof, that can win.

Keep fighting the good fight. New information is coming out because of all the hard work. We just need that perfect case.

Arlen Williams said...

Post of the Day

Anonymous said...

Is there any legitimate reason for these cases to no longer be on the SCOTUS web docket?

Before you get all conspiratorial, it looks like the docket search function won't recognize "orphan" applications (applications not attached to a cert petition, like the ones in Keyes, Donofrio, and Wrotnowski). If you search for Berg's application (08A505) it does show up on the docket, but under the docket for the underlying cert. petition (08-570).

For example, last Friday SCOTUS denied application no. 08A522. 08A522 doesn't appear on the docket either, and it isn't a birfer case.

As for why, it may be a glitch. It may be SCOTUS has retooled its docket search function. But the data gap isn't limited to just birfer cases.

Anonymous said...

First, we are asking the Scotus to define the "natural born" clause. Second, we want Obama to show his BC so everyone can see that he is a citizen just like everyone else in this country. There is nothing to win, just clarification of who is our President.
Prior to 9/11/2001, we had eleven men along with their families living in our country and acting like they were citizens of this country. They ended up killing thousands of our people in one tragic day. After 9/11, can we afford to have another repeat of that tragis day? We do not know anything about Obama's past. How do we know that he is not another sleeper like those eleven terrorists of 9/11?
I am just want the SCOTUS to do their job and defend the Constitution. They are setting a precedent by denying these cases. They are setting this country up for destruction by not acting.

Anonymous said...

Goodness everything is so dramatic now. Everyone is on the edge. I think I would wait until at least late morning tomorrow before I begin to speculate the worst. I mean there was a four day weekend and maybe the system did not update properly or something.

Arlen Williams said...

Yes, Anon-latest, red-diaper babies Obama, Emanuel, and Axelrod will all be looking out for us. Sigh.... Thanks, I needed that.

Anonymous said...

SCOTUS doesn't need an "airtight" case. They can do exactly as they please. They have the ultimate power in this game.

The "perfect" case can come before them and they can deny it.

I have talked to many people about the natural born problem, and most know absolutely nothing about this controversy.

Could it be that the justices simply knew nothing about this information until these cases came before them? The cases are prepared by their clerks, with appropriate case law included, and they see, preliminarily, just what the clerks give them.

Could it be that Obama showed them the (forged) COLB during their little afternoon tea, and the Supremes accepted it as determinative of citizenship?

If the Supreme Court is reading only the MSM, can you blame them for not knowing the gory details of Barry Soetoro's mysterious past?

They probably actually believe that he was a student at Columbia for two years. Funny how the students, even in his major, do not remember EVER taking a class with this man. None of them. Not one person. He is an unusual looking person. Supposedly the brilliant leader, and not a single student worked with him or talked to him?

Who are you really, Barry Soetoro-Obama?

Arlen Williams said...

Anon-third-above: Second Post of the Day.

Anonymous said...

Anon- first above

Has anyone tried to contact any of his classmates?

Like the "Hawaii Hospital dial-a-thon" where none of them ever had BHO or his mother as a patient.

Surely there are some professors from his Occidental and Columbia years, in his major that are still around Today!

Sounds like another dial-a-thon needs to get started...

Carlyle said...

Hey! I thought MY post (1st above) was pretty scary, too. Don't I get any brownie points?

Arlen Williams said...

I find it pretty smirking-funny how Obama was so concerned about having every jot and tittle of his oath of office correct -- but the Birth Certificate?

Aw... come on... who needs ta know....

Anonymous said...

What, the Obama White House took over the SC website and removed the cases from the website? To what end, do you honestly think if the cases aren't on the website they somehow aren't still on the SC docket or in the SC files?!

This is rapidly approaching Plains Radio/Free Republic tinhat territory.

Anonymous said...

Forget about Bill O'Reily and Fox NEWS . None of them, I do repeat NONE of them including Hanety didn't mention setifigate deal. They got STOP from their big boss.

Arlen Williams said...

Anonymous said... What, the Obama White House took over the SC website and removed the cases from the website? To what end, do you honestly think if the cases aren't on the website they somehow aren't still on the SC docket or in the SC files?! This is rapidly approaching Plains Radio/Free Republic tinhat territory.

Been saving up, to say that, Anon? Your post is the only one here that I see with such charges "filed."

Arlen Williams said...

What there has been is a record of People-annoying kinds of obstructive, or tampering, or delaying, or (euphemistic) confusing behavior at the level of the courts and/or court clerks.

Anonymous said...

There you go! Orly is back up! Everyone can breathe again. What are red-diaper babies?

Victor said...


Anonymous at 1:41 AM does raise a good point. An error on a web page is not the same as a case being removed from a court's docket.

The docket page is back online.

Sometimes, the simple answer is the right one, and in this case, the simple answer is most likely a technical fault.

Anonymous said...

Everyone is upset and on edge. They actually get into nasty verbal assaults at each other over at Plains Radio now. All will work out for the highest good--I pray.

Anonymous said...

Berg case is toast, "denied" on 1/21/2009

Orly case in the toaster, on Monady 01/26/2009 you will see another "denied"

about 22 "denieds" so far, how many more do you want?

note: SCOTUS has been supplied Obama's BC with afadavits from Hawaii, so how do you think they will rule in these cases?

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 11:44 am-
It does not matter how many "denieds" we get. We just need one to get in and the Usurper will be toasted. Ironically that Obama wants transparency but does not want to show his BC and end all the lawsuites. Why don't you ask Obama why he is fighting the cases instead of showing his BC? The computer generated COLB circulating on the internet is already on the court's records that it is not a legit document because Obama altered the document when he crossed out the document number on the certificate. Wonder why he did that? Maybe it is because it's not his to begin with. BTW, please show me where the SCOTUS was supplied w/ affidavits from HI on Obama's BC?

Anonymous said...

he's not fighting the cases, go to SCTUS site, no Obama lawyers list, got it. He showed his BC, you may not believe that, I don't care as your view has been sent to the dust bin of history.

the document number has not been crossed out on his copy, only on internet scanned copy. Call Republican Hawaii officials that aided in Obama's certification as per this link:

go to the dust bin please!

Anonymous said...

"We just need one to get in and the Usurper will be toasted."

Orly case to be denied today, results on Monday. repeating same charges that are being "denied" takes a bit of lack of reality!

it's OK to hate Obama but why make stuff up!

Anonymous said...

Kapi'olaani Hospital was originally opened by Queen Kapi'olani as the Kapi'olani Maternity Home in 1890.

The hospital is the birthplace of Barack Obama, President of the United States. A plauqe is being made as "Birthplace of President Obama" to place at front of hospital.

call them at (808) 983-6000, I did, my daughter was born there in 1965, she recently got her BC (needed a passport) looks the same format as Obama's

you Birthers probably think Elvis is alive and lives on Kawaii! Hawai officials covering it up!

Anonymous said...

Orly's case is still on the dockets. I used a direct link to her case an fdit is still there. I suspect, the problem is with th rquery tool.

Anonymous said...

Reply to Anonymous @ 10:55

See theobamafile dot com and select "education". Go to the "Columbia" section and see what a student from those years has to say.

Odd. Check out his "thesis" info, too.

Hope-4-A-Change in Direction said...

Obama retook the oath in private the other night (no press or media coverage). If you look at the official press release picture you'll notice something missing from his left hand, The BIBLE!

Victor said...


Members of the press pool actually were in attendance when Chief Justice Roberts administered the oath in the White House Map Room. There's audio of the swearing-in, as well as photography from the White House photographer.

A Bible is not required for the oath to be officially administered.

Anonymous said...

I am having trouble getting my mail out to the SC as I am in a wheelchair unable to walk or stand. SO my husband is getting mad at me for sending so many letters out the the Judges at the SC. I sent them a letter today reading them the riot act. Asking how come Constitutional Attorney's file cases before you about Obama and you deny them. Is Obama briding you and paying you all off?
It is hard to believe that every one of your Judges are there to Protect and defend the Constitution and yet you do not do that. It is up for grabs and will be destroyed by the usuper Obama and then there will be riots and war in the streets like our forefathers when they had to defend the way of life under our new Constitution. I told them they are to blame for any violence that is going to happen as we are fed up with them not hearing a case that is presented to them. They all have merits and you deny a hearing.

Arlen Williams said...

Hope-4-A-Change did not state that the Bible was necessary, by the Constitution. Knowing what is written in black and white helps keep one from fallacy.

Zapem said...

Considering the way the courts have been treating all of these cases from the lower courts on up, I don't think a reprimand against conspiratorial thoughts is due.

If anyone has painted these lawsuits as frivilous and having no right to know, it was the courts.

I would remind people who pass judgment against those who ask the hard questions to remember that one day they might have a Constitutional issue that affects them and have questions, only to be met with the same dismissal and derogatory labels.

I personally checked 15 cases on the Pending Order's List myself and found those to be on the docket and fully visible from the database. I did not find any cases which were missing other than the eligibility contest cases as noted in this article.

The bottom line here is, while the Petitioners in these cases have been treated worse than second-class citizens, slandered on websites and belittled by the media without remorse, I find it ironic that no one seems to care if a President of the United States is held to the mere standard of

Anonymous said...

UPDATE to anonymous @ 10:55pm who asked if anybody had talked to students who attended Columbia during Obama's two years there.

Go to theobamafile dot com , select "education", and go to "WHO". There is the info from students at Columbia during that time. Scroll down, it is after the Columbia section.

The "Columbia" section just talks about his druggie apartment mate. Nothing about taking classes with Soetoro/Obama. Just vague things like, he lived like a monk and spent his time in the library.

Anybody believe this nonsense? Obama, the One, the Messiah, living like a monk?

Who is Obama?

Anonymous said...

cases up for consideration at the Justices’ private conference on January 23 does not list the Orly case, not good news for Orly, check again on Monday as to disposition. (DENIED?)

timpanogos said...

If it weren't so serious, it is actually rather pathetic watching them all scurrying around . . .

If it weren't so pathetic, it wouldn't be so humorous watching the Birth-Certificate-Obsessed in all the scurrying around.

There are still remaining six wholly unrebutted demonstrations of Obama's eligibility. Nothing in any of these cases comes close to presenting anything close to a viable rebuttal.

Who is Obama, someone asked a couple of posts ago?

He's president of the United States of America, a nation that badly needs leadership at the moment.

Are you with us in trying to fix the things that need fixing, or are you gonna sit there and redouble your tinfoil?

Anonymous said...

from the Constitutional Topics pages at the site show following

Natural-born citizen
Title 8 of the U.S. Code Section 1401
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President.

1.Anyone born inside the United States *

2.Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe

3.Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

4.Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

5.Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year

6.Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

7.Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

8. A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

* There is an exception in the law - the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

#1 applies to Hawaii born Obama
#7 if Obama born elsewhere (Mother American)

Arlen Williams said...

Thank you for that information. It shows how detached from the original language and intent of the Constitution many "leaders of thought" have gotten.

And that shows the desperate straights we are in, as a nation.

Carlyle said...

Geez Louise - Please Puleez

in re: Title 8 of the U.S. Code Section 1401

It says no such thing. It simply defines these people as Citizens. It doesn't even mention or address NBC at all. Besides, we all know that the most basic definition of NBC is that citizenship which is bestowed naturally and not the result of any law. The last I looked (about 30 seconds ago) Title 8 of the U.S. Code Section 1401 was a LAW!

Anonymous said...

If Obama is natural born then why is his website says that he is "native" born? This is coming from the ONE himself. Funny how a constitutional lawyer Obama supposely is, would not say that he is "natural born" but uses the word "native born" instead. Why did he post the computerize certification of birth, with verifyable number crossed out, and not the original BC like McCain did? BTW, McCain's original BC was posted on the internet with nothing crossed out or blocked on the certificate.
As for Obama fixing the country,I would not call fixing the economy when he is sending U.S money to other countries so they can perform abortions. His people go on the record to say "white construction men need not apply". Closing Gitmo and sending terrorists into our cities. BTW, two ex-GITMo inmates appear in Al-Qaeda video. CIAs are not allow to use force on our enemies but it is okay I guess for our enemies to parade our citizens on TV and then cut their heads off. Is this what you called fixing the country?
Obama was caught lying about his contact with Blago and the MSM tried to cover it up. Rahn was sent out of the country until the story died down. Then we found out that Obama broke the law when he offered Biden either the Vice Pres or Secretary job, thanks to Biden's wife, jill. Anyone reporting that?
So far I can see the CHANGE I CAN BELIEVE IN.

Victor said...


U. S. Code Title 8, Section 1401 specifically refers to "Nationals and citizens of United States at birth."

If a person is born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, they are by definition (not by law) a citizen of the United States at birth.

Title 8, Section 1401(a) of U. S. Code is simply acknowledging a definition, which is a very common and useful practice in law.

As for whether this is also the definition of a natural born citizen, consider that there are only two methods of becoming a citizen: either by being natural born, or by being naturalized. Since 1401(a) refers to "citizens at birth," you can see that this is also the definition of "natural born citizen."

Victor said...

Update: Dr. Taitz' "full-throated challenge" in Lightfoot v. Bowen has been denied. (source - PDF link)

Arlen Williams said...

Regarding Victor's comment, two above this:

1. As has been stated and repeated, legislation does not alter the meaning of the Constitution. Victor has persisted, nevertheless, in trying to argue legislation.

2. But to grant a bit of an argument, if natural born Citizen meant merely "citizen at birth" to the framers, why did they not spare some legal ink and state only, born citizen? Once again, Victor presents a red herring, leading away from the clear meaning of the framers for natural born Citizen. That has been expressed very well in the articles listed in I.O., citing Vatel, Tucker, Bingham, and Jay. And as has been mentioned, it is supported by Perkins v. Elg and even by the Wong Kim Ark decision, which refused to address "natural."

That will not likely stop Victor, but Victor, your repetitions and circling references will not be looked upon favorably.

MrX said...

The Supreme Court will never touch this issue because simply questioning Obama's natural born status means he isn't. A natural born citizen is someone who has unquestionably no other allegiances than that of the US. Having both parents and born on US soil is the only way that you can be 100% certain. Where there is no doubt. If you start going into if one parent is ok or not, then it's no longer obvious, AND NOT NATURAL.

So they'll never touch it. Obama would lose automatically if it goes to court. And the SC wants no part of that.

Anonymous said...

To read more concerning the personal habits and background of the usurping resident of the white house see:

Thank you, Captain Sherlock

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