Friday, September 25, 2009

Orly Taitz Watch - More Destruction of Her Own Cases? Updated with Documentation

Judge David Carter ruled that the latest filing of Orly Taitz in Barnett, et.al., v. Obama may not be supplemented, as Tatiz had apparently intended, without the permission of the defense (the Department of Justice, oddly enough). This was their response to Obama's motion to dismiss, lauded by some for its eloquence as it rambled far beyond the points of the dismissal motion. When the right hand flourishes, watch what the left hand does.

This means that while the response of Orly Tatiz, DDS is apparently incomplete, it must stand. The umpteenth harmful error by Taitz? Merely a set of errors, or worse?

This is separate from the response given by Gary Kreep, the attorney for Markham Robinson and Wiley Drake in this same case.

Judge Carter's order is linked, here. I.O. hopes to have time to further address this mess, today.

Update ~ Do you think these concerns are wrong? Do you think that Tatiz' response hit the nails on the head, or that it addressed the motion to dismiss weakly, point for point?

Feel free to compare Orly Taitz' response, to that of Gary Kreep, to Obama's motion to dismiss -- documentation:
9/23, KEYES v OBAMA - 70 - MINUTES OF IN CHAMBERS ORDER by Judge David O. Carter: DENYING REQUEST TO FILE

9/21, KEYES v OBAMA - 69 - OPPOSITION to MOTION to Dismiss Case AND MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES (from Orly Taitz)

9/18, KEYES v OBAMA - 67 - OPPOSITION to MOTION to Dismiss Case AND MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES (from Gary Kreep)

9/4, Keyes|Barnett GOV MOTION TO DISMISS - 56
Update 2/25 - This comment received. Let deciders decide.
Professor Jorgen said...

@Arlen,
She wasn't indicating that she would ammend her response to the motion to dismiss but indicating that she was going to ammend her complaint again. So that says nothing to the completeness of her response to this particular motion, they are separate in that respect.

And, if you would like to hear why Markham Robinson fired Orly Taitz, listen to the first hour of "The Awakening," this past Monday.
It is archived and available by clicking here.

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

If you see a problem then why don't you become part of the solution instead of just bitching and finger-pointing?

Arlen Williams said...

I've gotten that kind of comment before. It's humorous.

Paul said...

The birthers, the tea baggers, the screamers, and the deathers continued extreme minority presence will become tiresome to mainstream America, if it has not already done so. To all the birthers in La, La Land, it is on you to prove to all of us that your assertion is true, if there are people who were there and support your position then show us the video (everyone has a price), either put up or frankly shut-up. I heard Orly Taitz, is selling a tape (I think it’s called “Money, Lies and Video tape”). She is from Orange County, CA, now I know what the mean when they say “behind the Orange Curtain”, when they talk about Orange County, the captial of Conspiracy Theories. You know Obama has a passport, he travel abroad before he was a Senator, but I guess they were in on it. In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while trying to take away the rights of those they just hate) and that’s who they need to extract from their party if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”. I heard that she now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC).

Anonymous said...

BIRTHER:

Brave, Intelligent, Responsible Thinker Heeding Eligibility Requirements

They are MAINSTREAM America!

They are the 85% of America that want the simple question answered.

Paulisdumb said...

The burden of proof is on the treasonous liars and cowards that let Obama on the ballot in the first place. A photo shopped certificate would never be accepted as proof anywhere else in America. Why should it be considered proof in this instance? Why has Obama spent over 1.5 million in legal fees to keep his records from being released. Why does he issue executive orders to seal his records. Any idiot can figure it out. He wouldn't keep going all out to hide something if he had nothing to hide. He is a usurper. He doesn't belong in the Oval Office.

Story Reports said...

I can't believe Orly Taitz didn't know you can only amend a pleading once with out the concent of the opposing party. She should have known this. This to me is something that any competent attorney would know. I have been very suspect of Mrs Taitz lately because of her "errors" in court proceedings. She does deep six her own cases. It seems she also, is a FRAUD!. (Story Reports)

The strange thing is she gets to the point where her cases are almost heard then because she screws up the paper work the cases are dismissed. To me this is an excellent way to keep the issue of who obama really is out of court.

Allen Keys recently pulled out of the latest case because I think he too knows something is fishy. Orly is fishy. Its similar to what obama does. He tells America things are getting better. A lie. Orly files lawsuits but they go nowhere many times because she deep sixes them before they can be heard.

Its time to call a spade a spade. I'm calling orly taitz a spade!

Anonymous said...

How is the first comment humorous? What are you doing to help?

Arlen Williams said...

Good questions, Anon. Good questions.

Anonymous said...

Taking a tip from Obama by not answering?

Christinewjc said...

This is all so disheartening to learn about Taitz...

But I do love the new acronym shared by Anonymous:

BIRTHER:

Brave, Intelligent, Responsible Thinker Heeding Eligibility Requirements


The truth will one day come out!

A while back during the Prop. 8 controversy in California, I made up an acronym too - when the gays called any biblically-based Christian a "bigot."

Bible
Is
God's
Only
Truth

And the TRUTH shall set you free!

Arlen Williams said...

Anon, some answers are self evident.

Paulisreallydumb said...

OK everyone. Use your imagination. Lets say that you are a lawyer on Obama's side. To keep this out of court you go on talk shows and get the public informed? You represent members of the military and members of state house of representatives so that they will lose. You go meet with a representative of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to inform them of the usurper in chief. Why? So that by knowing that Obama is illegitimate they will use their new found knowledge to not investigate? At the end of the day would someone that did all of these things really be helping Obama?

Arlen Williams said...

Very good questions.

If the person going on talk shows representing "birthers" is distinctly eccentric, whom does it help?

If the person representing members of the military and of state legislatures makes "mistakes" which scuttle the effort, whom does it help?

As to communicating directly to the representative of the Joint Chiefs (and the members of the Supreme Court) are they presumed not to know about this effort? But to a clever tactician, what better way would there be, to gain PR value and credibility among supporters of the cause, in order to overcome just the kind of criticism one sees here? Wouldn't that be spelled, "C-O-V-E-R?"

I do not contend that Orly Taitz is necessarily, in fact, a saboteur. My personal perspective and opinion is that she has behaved remarkably like one -- and we should all know it and deal with it. As far as I know, she may very well be an enemy agent So it would seem.

"If it looks like a duck and waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck..."

Or do you prefer this cliche?:

"A nod is as good as a wink, to a blind horse."

The solution as I see it: stop the mistakes and turn over responsibilities that are over one's head, to those competent to fulfill them. That, I believe, is what a true patriot would do.

Anonymous said...

I agree.Bu without listing the numerous mistakes she has made it is hard for some people to fathom she is anything but a patriot.Blogging on one at time will go ever these people's heads.The original artcvile on Orly never listed them,but rather asked for others to investigate.Some of that is in the comments.Unless a complenium is listed and then questions put to the reader it appears to some,not me,that you are either a saboteir or biased in favor of another lawyer to handle this case.This post leans in that direction.If you read Kreep's introduction,he points out that the other lawyer will cover the various topics beyond what he is presenting.Or;y's response was not rambling.The wholeissue of standing and jurisdiction needed to be gone over in detail,and explaining to the court that the Plaintiffs have gone the route of the proscribed methods to get our government in all branches to investigate the allegations and grievances.It also covered the pertinent points alleged by the Defendants and countered them.But as usual,Orly didn't follow the rules and it was rejected.She also,as has Kreep opted not to take advantage of limited discovery now instead of hinging everything on the Oct.5 court date being granted in their favor.

Anonymous said...

To any person just looking at these main lawyers in these lawsuits based on the law alone,it should be obvious that as much as there is a massive dereliction of duty in covering for Obama,that Orly stands out as being incompetent or a player for the other team.Plus,the whole eligbility issue revolving around her should tell people something is amiss.Tah said,a compendium of her errors would show people that we are not talking about a few honest mistakes.

Anonymous said...

It is interesting to note that hardcore Marxists are coming out of the woodwork when articles on Orly are done.Her defenders have pretty much dismissed this site,save for a few diehard fans that leave infantile comments.This issue will not be resolved by another atty or any work done to release records in Hawaii,even if those records are released.This is going to orbit around Orly Taitz right up to the end.So,she does need to be exposed and convinced to accept help from others.She isn't going to step down.Calling for that only makes more enemies.But pointing out grave errors will get people thinking clearly and urge her to do what is right.

Anonymous said...

The best thing she could do is work with Kreep and allow any othe willing attys to guide her every move by swallowing her pride.It is unrealistic for people to expect her to step down after all the work she has done.They can file their own lawsuit if they are that much against her.I'm not talking about every person blogging about her.But rather the attys that have a problem with her tactics and strategy.

Anonymous said...

No matter what I personally think of Orly,I will say that her response to the MTD was far better than Kreep's response.Both are good.But his is the same old "Here's some case citations to prove my clients have standing and you have jurisdicvtion" business.This has gone on for over a year.Orly said what needs to be said regardless of what ruling comes down.That's why my suprise at reading it all made sense when it was rejected today.The actions and misdeeds are predictable.As I was reading it I was wondering what angle this was because it was nothing like her past work.So to call it rambling means you lack comprehension skills or are just biased againsst anything she does.Because I am no fan of Orly and look at everything these lawyers do objecvtively.And that respone to the MTD was damn good.

Anonymous said...

Read the post over at RSOL with the focus on a comment in there by Sharon2 and TerriK.That is a good expample of how many people,lawyers and laymen,have contacted Orly and explained how a certain action of hers is self-sabotaging her case and the whole eligbility issue.She is not just making honest mistakes.Filing improperly or late;delaying the process by not serving defendants properly for seven months;and many more things that should be put down in a sequential and chronologial list.I thought that was what the original blog on Orly was all about.Taking your research and the information in comments and emails and collating it.

Anonymous said...

She is on a new media blitz.Won't matter what haapens on Oct.5th she is still going to be at the forefront of this unless completely exposed.Put together what you have on her actions,and ask the tough questions of the readers.There has to be more than just accusations and pleas for her to step aside.The interview with Markham wasn't all that revealing beyond showing her character flaws.It looks too much like infighting and a bias for Kreep.

Anonymous said...

With this blog post you have gone about things backwards.You should've acknowledged how good both Briefs were and why she didn't get Defense approval or go by the rules to file it in time and properly.Especially since this is the first time anything by her has been donw so well.It is not "rambling" by a longshot.If you want to stump for Krepp that is your business.But examine evidence on the merits.Had both been accpeted that would've been for all our benefit.But none of us oare perfect.You are giddy over some mainstream media personalities that are nothing more than gatekeepers for the elites releasing good information long after it has been exposed in Europe and in the blogosphere.We are dealing with masters of deception and it takes more than understanding Alinksy to be onto their game.I think that obsession is why so many bloggers think you are a Marxist.Lol!!!I don't.I'm just saying the objectivity has to be there even for Orly.Not everything she does is poison.But the little drop of it at crucial times kills nonetheless.It has every step of the way and will lilely do so in the end if she rejects sound advice.

Anonymous said...

USJF has an update on Carter not allowing disvoery at this time,but setting a tentative trial date for Jan.26,2010.Carter has been fair,but for the seriousness of this issue it should go to trial in late Oct. of this year if the case isn't dismissed.He is probably taking his orders form the elites like the rest of the government stooges.He's just putting on a better show.Orly has most people fooled.Carter is no exception.

Arlen Williams said...

Hm.

First, to get it out of the way, I recall no giddiness about Glenn Beck, just sincere appreciation (for what he has done, not just picking on what he has not done). Searching "Beck" on I.O. would present a pretty fair picture. I see no obsession with Alinsky, either. (If these comments are by someone who blames a specific little group of European Satan worshipers by heredity, for all these ills, I'd humbly and kindly ask for some meditation on obsession.)

About this:
...a compendium of her errors would show people that we are not talking about a few honest mistakes.

"Love keeps no record of wrongs." I haven't been keeping an Orly Taitz diary over the last year. I have asked someone who caught on about the Orly Oddity early on, to provide his/her work. This person has not agreed to do so, but not for any related qualms about it.

I have been struggling with this for quite a while. Collating what lays in various people's archived comments in I.O. would be a monumental task for me. Other aspects would suffer. And, that would be incomplete, as the commentator said, above. Then, I would have to ask again, for more.

That would be good work for a full time journalist, preferably a pair of them.

Is the commentator volunteering to help?

Are there others, who would help?

Would you like to go back to the end of last year and gradually research the Taitz problems? If so, I would want to help.

I suppose a personal carrot for this is that someone could write a book.

seven1m@yahoo.com said...

Arlen your a either a spoiler or a real patriot. I suspect your a spoiler and then some. Orley has gone to great lengths to get to where we are today. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for doing nothing but bitching and complaining. Arlen you really haven't provided any info that we haven't already known. Your a silly man.

Arlen Williams said...

The main point about Taitz' unorthodox response to the motion to dismiss is that, by asking for further amendment(s), it is apparently incomplete, even by the authors' admission.

Arlen Williams said...

Arlen you really haven't provided any info that we haven't already known.

seven1m,

How many of all these details, do you "know" (and I mean, recall, in your mind)? Would you like to write it all down? The Orly problems have been, over months and months, consistent and there were are many of them.

Further, it would take some effort by legally trained person(s) to potentially find some of the problems that perhaps I don't even "know" of -- and to fairly present many of them.

I have asked more than once, for help.

Greg Goss said...

I can't figure out what side Anonymous is on!

Professor Jorgen said...

@Arlen,
She wasn't indicating that she would ammend her response to the motion to dismiss but indicating that she was going to ammend her complaint again. So that says nothing to the completeness of her response to this particular motion, they are separate in that respect.

Paul said...

We are all adults here, and as adults we know there are consequences for are actions, so if you do not agree with his policies, you can a) do nothing, b) support him, c) not support him, d) protest and picket, its your choice, live the dream! As for Orly Taitz, to this point she has not been successful because she does not have any proof, documentation supporting her claims except her wild rants. I would not bet the farm on this one. She has a mail-order-degree get someone with real credentials (Harvard, Yale Law School) not a Russian immigrant with dual US/ Israel citizenship (where are her allegiances?). Have you even thought of who is paying for all her travel, or are you telling me she independently wealthy? Sorry she has no juice because she does not have any proof, documentation supporting her claims except her wild rants. That might work in “Fake News” but not in a Court of the United States.

Anonymous said...

Orly taitz tells a lie on her blog Sep 24 09 http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=4479

quote: "Yesterday judge Carter has issued a chambers order, where he stated that there will not be enough time to review the second amended complaint before the October 5th hearing."

Nowhere does it say this in the chambers order. Orly is a liar! The proof is here.

Prove me wrong.

http://storyreportscomments.blogspot.com/2009/09/judge-david-o-carter-denying-request-to.html

Arlen Williams said...

I've decided to leave Paul's post here. If such things get redundant, they'll disappear.

Anonymous said...

On January 21st, 2009, his very first day in office, Barack Obama implemented and signed into law Executive Order 13489.

section 2:

Notice Of Intent To Disclose Presidential Records
When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines providied by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege.”

The first order of business Obama took care of on day one of his Presidency was to sign off on an Executive Order that states that only the records he chooses to be made public will be released?

Will this affect his records in Hawaii?


Leo Donofrio's answer to my question:

[ed. no. that only concerns with records he generates as POTUS.]

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/hawaii-doh-official-janice-okubo-places-her-thumb-directly-in-the-giants-eye/#comment-11951

kay said...

anon @ 7:42pm that has nothing to do with Orly.But since you brought it up,Leo is correct.The problem at hand is that this usurper hasn't had to rely on that EO for cover.He has the cover of all three branches of government and the media.Okubo lying again yesterday should tel you that these cretins are not worried about Fukino's lies and are continuing the coverup.For Arlen,no need to back up on hindlegs and get on the defensive.There are at least a few of us here wanting to help you,but are simply giving you constructive criticism.We know what is going to happen,or at least the whittling down to two possible scenarios in the next 4 months.We will give you the links or sources to corroborate the claims,if you put together a list of Orly's misdeeds in a coherent and nonbiased form.You see unlike you we see this nation as doomed.But we want to expose error and awaken as many souls as possible in the next few months.We are in the streets and elsewhere on the web,so are not using our own websites.Too late now.But we do find substance in your work and want to help you.To Greg: Most anons are on the side of justice.Not any celeb lawyer.That's why you wil see a defense of certain actions of lawyers we know are shills.We give credit where it is due.This isn't a partisan political fight we are in as it appears to be at CW blog where you guys and gals over there appear to be disgruntled democrats.The 500-1000 comments per post over there shed little light on our situation and certainly no solutions.That is not to disparage CW for his efforts,but rather the cackling hens there with no focus.

kay said...

What people need to understand is that it doesn't really matter if Orly is a paid agent provateur or incompetent;her mistakes have yielded the same results.What's more,she is not leaving the scene.This point has tried to be driven home from some of us here for months.As one gives up another one of us takes over and after talks the other s come back here and elsewhere sounding a clarion call.Obama is now the president of the world according to the UNG20,and mainstream media.So don't be fooled by fluctuating polls or breaking news on exposed Socialists or coverups in Hawaii or elsewhere in government.Time is short.The claws of the Beast were shown at the G20 meetings during the protests.This is far bigger than the eligbility issue.Not only is Obama an ineligible POTUS [per the organic Con,not the Corp Con],but he has commited treason several times in the past none months and you do not hear the word treason in the MSM;only calls of concern and outrage over his policies.

kay said...

What happens on Oct.5th really doesn't matter.Orly will remain the center of attention until the end.So Arlen,please drop the sarasm against those of us trying to work with you.I picked up the torch from Gort and others and we all think along the same lines as we are in the same quarters,and actually share the same pc.Lol!Yours is one of the few blogs that is nailing the hardest issues we are facing as a nation,although we tend to disagree with the narrow focus on Marxism being the end all and be all of the usurpation of this nation and the well-advance global governance on our doorstep.That being said,we respect your efforts,and want to give you the bigger picture,and have,and the information our fellow Americans need to know.In fact,most of it is here already.But I'm fresh so I don't feel like I'm beating a dead horse,at least not yet.All I'm saying is to avoid alientaing everyone by thinking that the works of Simpson or London have the great conspiracy all wrapped up in their writings and your promoting of them.

Arlen Williams said...

Still looking for more of that Orly Taitz research help that I asked for, weeks ago, now.

Anonymous said...

(Orly Taitz original post of Sep 24, 09 http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=4479 was completely changed the next day. Her quote is gone. She took it off her web site completely. I wish I had gotten a snap shot of her quote, it was a total lie.)


Orly taitz tells a lie on her blog Sep 24 09 http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=4479

quote: "Yesterday judge Carter has issued a chambers order, where he stated that there will not be enough time to review the second amended complaint before the October 5th hearing."

Nowhere does it say this in the chambers order. Orly is a liar! The proof is here.

Prove me wrong.

Paul said...

To all the Birther. Where is the beef "Proof that is"? or "Got Proof" lets see it but of course you have as much proof as you do common sense, none. Live the dream!